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My sister financially benefitting from our parents AGAIN.

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QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 08:40

There are 13 months between me and my sister so we were very close growing up together and we are still close now, I love her and she’s one of my favourite people to be around.

Growing up we were very different, I was the typical ‘good sensible girl’ whereas she was more the type who took each day as it came and having fun was her main focus. At the time, I was envious of her character and spirit and wished I was more like her.

I did well at school, went to college, then university and have a professional job, whereas she didn’t really try at school, dropped out of two college courses and eventually ended up in a job that our neighbour found for her.

Fast forward to now: we’re in our late 30s and still very close. We both have two children although she is no longer with the father as he turned out to be a complete shit. He’s active in the children’s lives though and he provides well for them financially and helps my sister out too in ways he isn’t obliged to. I don’t particularly like the man but I can’t criticise him for the way he still provides for the children and the things he does to help my sister.

In our teenage years and through our 20’s my sister was frequently financially helped out by our parents because “she didn’t have a well paying job” and they paid out a lot for her. They paid for things to be done around her house (luxuries as opposed to necessities), paid her phone bills and store cards, paid for things for the children and paid for her driving lessons too when she was in her mid 20’s.

At the same time as they were paying for her driving lessons I was having to pay for my own lessons even though I was a student and they were charging me rent, compared to her being in full time employment and not even living in the family home anymore.

I could list lots of ways my sister has financially benefited from our parents over the last 10-15 years and although there has always been potential for resentment because of how differently we were treated I never felt it, or if I did I have no recollection of it and it didn’t impact on my relationship with my sister.

Fast forward to the last 12 months or so and my sister started going out with her friends a lot more, going out frequently for meals and drinks, going away for weekends, having new clothes etc and at the time I thought nothing of it. I was just glad to see her enjoying herself now her children are older (10 and 14) and that she was getting her life back as it were.

Recently me and DH have put ourselves out quite significantly in terms of finances in order to do something to benefit her children in order to allow them to experience something they’d never be able to if me and DH didn’t pay for it. Initially we had spoken about her paying 10% of the cost but after thinking about it I told my sister that no financial contribution was necessary as I was happy to treat my nieces and that I knew every pound counts to her and that even a small contribution would be difficult for her. She said thanks, she appreciated it and that was the end of the discussion.

Anyhow - I found out a few days ago that for the last 12 months my parents have been giving her £200 every month “just in case she needs it” and it’s actually really pissed me off. Our parents are divorced and they each give her £100.

I now feel a little put out that she so readily accepted our offer not to contribute to what we are doing for her children (which is costing us nearly £1k) when she’s getting £200 each month from our parents that she doesn’t actually need.

They (particularly my mom) also give her children money quite frequently whereas mine don’t get anything.

Inside I feel like the “special treatment” of her is still going on after all these years and I think that throughout her life it’s paid off that she didn’t get a good job because my parents have paid out so much for her and still do. I’m also in disbelief that at our age she is still taking money from our parents because as adults shouldn’t we be taking responsibility for ourselves?

I haven’t told my sister that I know about our parents giving her money each month and my parents don’t know that I know either. I won’t say anything to either of them though because it won’t serve any purpose. I only found out due my mom’s brother accidentally letting it slip when he asked me how I was spending my £200 each month as he had assumed my parents were doing it for both of us.

Im just venting. I know it’s my parents choice how they spend their money but after watching them pay out for so much for her over the last two decades this has been a bit of a blow to know they’re still doing it.

I was talking to DH about it and in my frustration I said that I wished I’d made her life choices instead of my own as maybe then my parents would have paid my way in life too and funded my lifestyle choices. I didn’t mean it, I just said it in frustration. I don’t want money from my parents, I wouldn’t accept it if they offered, but I feel a bit hurt that again my sister is getting money from them for no real reason whereas their generosity wasn’t even offered to me.

AIBU to feel a bit pissed off? Has anyone else been in a similar position and found ways to deal with it?

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elephantinstripeysocks · 09/01/2019 13:24

i agree with a PP about your sister - she must be mortified that EVERYONE knows she was getting handouts. I would hate that.

In "defense" of your grandparents, I would check what your mother told them. She may have made out your sister was in dire poverty and NEEDED the money (for food, not nights out). However if they knew it was "spending money" for her I wouldnt be happy with them. And I would be telling your grandad this and advising him to mind his own business.

QueenofmyPrinces · 10/01/2019 12:02

I have spoken to my mom about her parents knowing and she said she told them because they had been planning on giving her (my sister) a bit of a handout earlier last year so my mom had told them it wasn’t necessary as she and my dad were giving her money each month. My mom said that she didn’t want my grandparents to think that she (my mom) was standing by and watching my sister struggle so she had wanted to “set the record straight.”

How true that is I don’t know. To b honest ok struggling to believe anything my mom says lately.

My sister had refunded our parents the cost of the passports for the children (which they bought a few months ago) and she said she feels good about having done it. Our dad was gracious about it whereas our mom just kicked off again about how ungrateful my sister was and that she felt snubbed.

I know my mom has been accusing me of turning this whole thing into a drama but she’s doing a pretty good job herself of escalating the madness!

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Babyblade · 11/01/2019 09:06

OP - I have so much respect for how you're handling this. It really sounds as if you, your Dad and Sister are all together on this.

Just a pity about your Mum Sad, but it sounds that enough people know the reality of the situation that they'll make their own opinions.

I've still nothing particularly helpful to add. Just hope time is a healer and you can rebuild a relationship with your Mum Flowers

RandomMess · 11/01/2019 10:14

Your DSIS and DN will be around for a lot longer than your Mom so hold onto the fact the your relationship with DSIS is stronger than ever and you can help her change her own future!!!

I hope in time your Mom realises she is the one missing out and stops having a tantrum over no longer being the puppeteer.

Thanks
QueenofmyPrinces · 11/01/2019 20:54

Well this evening my mom visited my sister, with £100 and tried to convince my sister to take it. She had told my sister not to a martyr and that just because I was aware of the money it shouldn’t mean their arrangement has to stop as she knows how much my sister enjoys having the money.

She even had the nerve to suggest to my sister that they just keep it between themselves and that I would never need to know the monetary donations had re-started.

It’s a joke, it really is.

My sister obviously declined and told our mom that she wanted the arrangement to end and she didn’t want my mom’s money anymore. She (my sister) said that her relationship with me was too special to put at risk again especially when we had managed to move past what had happened.

My mom had then said “suit yourself” and just walked out.

She called me not long ago to tell me and I just couldn’t believe it.

I really don’t understand why my mom does not want to accept that things have changed and that our positions within the family have shifted.

I guess my mom doing this shows how little my feelings matter to her.

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RandomMess · 11/01/2019 20:57

This is about your Mom needing the role she created and wanting to divide and conquer so she is in charge. She is desperate to be "in" with your sister and money is what she used to be able to use to get her allegiance.

Thanks
elephantinstripeysocks · 11/01/2019 21:15

Shock im so sorry your mom did this. so you told her how much it upsets you, she ridiculed this then goes out and does it again. unforgivable. I would seriously go no contact. If she had apologized and not done it again (like your dad) then thats fine. But the fact she doesnt see that shes done anything wrong and then tried to drag your sister back in, shows she would do it time and time again. I wouldnt risk her doing this to her grandchildren and would just cut ties now. you know the pain its causing you.

Ultramic · 11/01/2019 21:24

This is about your Mom needing the role she created and wanting to divide and conquer

This.

OP I've been a (silent!) follower of your thread since you first posted and you've behaved so incredibly well. You deserve better from your mom. I'm so glad you worked things through with your sister, and I think although it may take time, I think if you and your sister keep firm, your mom may throw a few more toys out of the pram.

But if you ignore her negativity, don't doubt yourself, don't join the drama and keep moving forward, I think she might come round to the 'new' dynamic. Good luck. Flowers

ContessaIsOnADietDammit · 11/01/2019 21:27

Wow. Your mum is really really invested in how she never made any mistakes in her child-rearing, ever. Your sister did well to resist the attempt to suck her back in; childhood conditioning is a powerful thing.

Mix56 · 12/01/2019 08:36

Wow, Congrats to your Sister for refusing the "30 pieces of silver",
I guess the response could have been, Thank Mum, but no thanks, but if I need (albeit lifts, money, babysitting) help I will ask for it, & if Queen needs help, she will ask for it.
& hopefully you will help us if feasible, equally.

QueenofmyPrinces · 15/01/2019 09:57

Well now it turns out that my mum has been putting money aside for both of my sister’s children for years and she has a separate account on her own banking list where this money is kept. She told my sister she has been doing it ever since my sister split with their father as she didn’t want them to be disadvantaged (her words) as they got older. I.e for driving lessons, cars, uni, general spends etc etc.

She has asked my sister (in a sarcastic manner) whether seeing as she doesn’t want her financial assistance anymore then does that also extend to her saving money for her children too?

I asked if my mom if she had been putting any money aside for my children and she said no as why would she need to. She said they come from a stable family so we’d be able to afford things for them. She also said they were too young for this to even be an issue anyway.

My sister has asked me what to do. It’s obvious she wants my mom to keep putting money aside for my nieces but she seems too scared to say that to me.

I just told her that we have no control over whether our mom wants to financially help her grandchildren which I guess is true.

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7yo7yo · 15/01/2019 09:58

Your mum is actually a nasty evil conniving cow and is now go NC with her.
She’s done it to you and your sister and now she’s doing it to your kids.
Don’t let her get away with it.

QueenofmyPrinces · 15/01/2019 10:04

I feel heartbroken. I’m so upset.
I don’t care that she’s saving money for my nieces but it’s such a snub on me and my children. I feel like I’m nothing to her.

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7yo7yo · 15/01/2019 10:17

@QueenofmyPrinces
And that’s why it’s not worth keeping in contact with.
How dare she cause differences between you and your sister and now your sisters children and yours. And it is her causing the issues.

NigelMolesworth · 15/01/2019 10:26

Oh Queen, I'm so sorry to read your update Thanks It must feel like yet another enormous slap in the face.

I've been following your thread from the outset and have really felt for you. I also have been through various family ructions over the past few years.

After a lot of angst and soul searching, I came to the conclusion that I couldn't control what other people did. I could only control how I behave. Having realised this, I decided that I would do my best to behave according to my moral compass and detach from the rest of it. How they behave is up to them.

It hasn't been easy and if I think about it too hard, I can still feel very upset about it all. However on a day to day basis, I'm much freer than I was. I know I have behaved well and I can hang on to that.

It strikes me that your DM is sadly unlikely to change her ways and no matter how much you try to explain how you feel, it's not going to make any difference (and in fact might make her even more entrenched in her view that she's right).

Having been through something similar, I think over time you will find a way through in the end that preserves your relationship with your sister and gives you some internal peace. ThanksThanks

RandomMess · 15/01/2019 10:58

Your Mum is really unpleasant, she is determined to keep everyone in the roles she has assigned them.

The nastiness of even saying that to your sister, plus the nastiness of not saving anything for your DC...

The only appropriate response to mother is "it's your money, your choice"

Suzysuz · 15/01/2019 11:43

It jumps out as still another way your mum is trying to divide you and your sister - the temptation of even more money and the emotional blackmail that it’s for your sisters children, it just gets worse and worse from your mum Shock Flowers

ContessaIsOnADietDammit · 15/01/2019 12:02

It feels like this would be less of a problem if you didn't feel that your mum actively preferred the child/grandchildren who are actively dependent on her. Unfortunately, it appears that she does. That is shit of her, both in general and specifically because she thinks it's perfectly fine and you're unreasonable to be hurt by it Confused if she supported them financially but also showed support/interest/love towards you and your DCs, I imagine that would feel different.

The real problem here is that you're telling her you don't feel loved, and she's reacting defensively instead of accepting your feelings are valid. At least, that's the real problem IMO....

Spudsandspanners · 15/01/2019 12:16

You're not really helping her manage her finances by helping her out financially, so I would stop. You can't really control what your parents do though.

I'm the same as you and hate asking for financial help. However lately I've been happy to accept money from parents if they have offered after finding out my two other siblings get helped out financially by them. My brother earns twice as me and regularly goes abroad/stag weekends too! It took me and my partner 8 years to get a holiday abroad! One thing my mother helps out with is childcare though and my two sibling don't have DC, so it does even out. I haven't asked much from my family as they don't really have a lot to spare, but I'm sure I will be called on to help them out in the future.

Do you think your sister will help your parents out when they are old and frail, or do you think she'll just think that responsibility will fall to you?

Babyblade · 15/01/2019 12:17

Oh no - that's heartbreaking.

As ContessalsOnADietDammit has said - if your Mum would just accept your feeling rather than reacting defensively, this would be so much easier to handle Sad.

My parents help me and my siblings in different ways depending on what we need and what other help is available, but we all know that they are scrupulously fair (there's bound to be a spreadsheet somewhere) and transparent. None of their help diminishes us by accepting it, nor excludes us because we have other help.

I've still no practical advice, but I am thinking of you and hope you get this resolved. Flowers

Mix56 · 15/01/2019 12:36

Actually, she is now buying your Sister, knowing DS has very little choice & every time she feels it necessary, you Mum will hold up this trump card.
ideally your sister should say, any money you save should be split between ALL the grandchildren equally

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 15/01/2019 12:40

Sorry to hear this is still going on.

I can’t really say what to do. But I would take this time to figure out what you want from all this.

It says a lot about you and your sisters relationship that you have come out of this stronger.

Your mum is playing mind games. Divide and conquer. When you and your sister remain united she loses her power. She wants to split you two up again and breed that resentment/guilt.

I would talk to your sister honestly. So you’re both clear. This isn’t your mum being kind for your nieces. She’s using her own grandchildren in a plot to split her family up. Keep talking with your sister. Your mum will win if you let this divide you.

What single parent wouldn’t want a financial lifeline for their kids? Who wouldn’t feel unloved and pushed out when ignored by their parent? She knows these are you and your sisters biggest fears and she’s playing on them. She is cruel and vindictive. And now she’s bringing your children into it.

Where you go with your relationship with your mum is up to you. But I couldn’t stay in contact with someone so utterly heartless. It says a lot about your strength of character that you are still in contact now. I would take some time to think about what you want from this and remember what you want your children to see/notice. Sorry you’re going through this.

NWQM · 15/01/2019 12:49

Oh OP that is heartbreaking. Not just that your Mum and Dad - she can’t save money or give away money on her own in reality - have saved money but that she has again put your sister in an awkward position of talking about it. I’d have to distance myself fully from her and I’d be telling family members why.

QueenofmyPrinces · 15/01/2019 12:57

Thank you everyone. From the very start of this nightmare uncurling everyone’s support and advice has been instrumental in helping me cope with it. You help me see things clearly.......even if they are things I don’t want to see Sad

With my mom’s childhood and her PND I have always wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt and I have told myself that as shitty as her actions have been they have come from a good place but I’m starting to realise that I’ve been wrong.

You are right, this is manipulative and purposeful and there’s no excusing the hurt she is causing.

I just don’t understand why she’s trying to destroy mine and my sister’s relationship. Why would any parent not want their children to get on? Sad

I feel like my head is spinning.

I have text my dad and asked if he can pop round tonight because I want to ask if he knew my mom hS been saving money for my nieces. I just want all the secrets out. Mind you, it geek day like every time I deal with one blow another one comes along.

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Itstimetoscream · 15/01/2019 13:01

Take a step back for a moment regarding your mother putting money away for your sisters children do you understand the reasons why she is doing it?

I only ask because my two boys will be looked after by my side financially and their fathers but my daughters father and family aren't involved so she will only have me to "inherit" from so I have been putting more money aside for her than my boys if that makes sense. I don't want to worry about her missing out if the boys have more.

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