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To hope this could be the end for UKIP?

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Miscible · 23/11/2018 14:22

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/23/nigel-farage-appalled-by-tommy-robinson-joining-ukip-as-adviser

Basically that idiot Batten has invited Yaxley-Lennon, notorious jailbird, as an adviser on grooming gangs and, of all things, prisons. If it's not the end, I guess it will just morph into EDL-lite and disappear up its own backside.

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 23/11/2018 14:30

Guess Farage doesnt look that bad now huh?!

ImpendingDisaster · 23/11/2018 14:35

It may be the end of UKIP, hardly Farage or the Eurosceptic electorate.

trumptrump · 23/11/2018 14:43

I loathe UKIP and Tommy Robinson. However, many people don't.

A large group of people feel like they haven't been listened to by anyone except UKIP. They don't realize that UKIP is just using them and will say anything to get voters. By appointing a "grooming gang advisor", UKIP are giving the impression that they care about this issue, which is something nobody else has yet done. The victims of grooming have and are being ignored. UKIP are taking advantage of this, and it just might work.

cbdquestion · 23/11/2018 15:01

How are they any worse than all the liars, gravy-trainers, expenses cheaters, careerists, racists and anti-Semites in the other parties? They are all as bad as each other.

AdamNichol · 23/11/2018 15:03

The end? No. Well, in name, maybe. But for a whole movement towards nationalism, racism, and other prejudice; this is only the beginning.

Mainstream politics is going thru a slow death. I say this as someone who taught politics for a decade. It is a tool used by people of a particular generation to get things their way. That generation is ageing now and beginning to thin.
For the following generations, traditional politics is not a mechanism to get things done. That will fall to social media and civic action. Whilst social media is highly federalised, it can be lead by individuals with (even short term) gravity. As a species, we still tend to see truth in repetition; those who are best at blasting the message will get people to believe and follow. This is very easy on social media. Example - the two people killed by an angry mob in Mexico at a police station owing to fake news over why they had been arrested.
At the moment, UKIP follows Daily Fail sentiments opposing multiculturalism and similar concepts. Other groups will soon start a hefty push back against MeToo, Gender Identity, and all sorts of other popular prejudices. Then there will be the scapegoating, where the frustrated are fed a constant line that their struggles are due to group X. This is what UKIP did with Brexit. The reality was always that the UK has an ageing population - that means a shrinking workforce and a pensions/social care bill that's about to mushroom. You pay that bill either by expanding the workforce or by taking more money off the workforce. UKIP somehow persuaded those on low wages, that the solution was to make it harder to grow the workforce.

Bombardier25966 · 23/11/2018 15:05

Sadly I believe it will increase their membership. People that feign concern about abuse victims when really they don't give a damn and just want to snipe at Muslims.

We live in very scary times.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 23/11/2018 15:13

How are they any worse than all the liars, gravy-trainers, expenses cheaters, careerists, racists and anti-Semites in the other parties? They are all as bad as each other

True that

trumptrump · 23/11/2018 15:19

This is similar to those "share if you care about animal abuse" pictures they do on Facebook.

Animal abuse and grooming gangs are easy issues to lure voters with, and they usually work too.

User10fuckingmillion · 23/11/2018 15:24

Farage is coming out of this really well

RomanyRoots · 23/11/2018 15:28

I'm in the NW and they are quite active still.
The followers don't think they are racist, and believe as others believe in their chosen party.
This latest position might help them rather than it being the end.

TonTonMacoute · 23/11/2018 15:37

Look at the trends across Europe, La Liga in joint power in Italy, Kurtz in Austria, the massive rise in popularity of AfD and the FN in Germany and in France, and Geert Wilders in the Netherlands, not to mention Trump in the States. So, sadly I don't think that it will necessarily mean the end of them at all.

Patroclus · 23/11/2018 15:45

The same Nigel Farage who once said ''We will never get thee ni**er vote''.

Patroclus · 23/11/2018 15:46

oh god I can't believe people are still doing the 'they're all the same and Im so above it all'' rubbish.

Miscible · 23/11/2018 18:58

I really don't know what advice UKIP could possibly need about grooming gangs, but appointing Robinson to give it signals that the only grooming they have any interest in at all is that carried out by members of other races and religions.

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trumptrump · 23/11/2018 19:14

Don't underestimate the amount of support UKIP has. People are disenfranchised by the big parties. Theyre sick of feeling voiceless. I think UKIP will have a revival in the next election.

LillianGish · 23/11/2018 19:22

Very interesting quote here at the end of this article "Anne Frank was born in a democracy in 1929, and she died 15 years later in one of the greatest atrocities that the world has ever known, and this is as quickly as things can change".

OldCarpet · 23/11/2018 19:34

The establishment betrayal have no idea what they have unleashed

ilovesooty · 23/11/2018 19:43

Plenty of people will vote for UKIP and actually admire that thug. I've never known racism and xenophobia as overt as it is now.

sonlypuppyfat · 23/11/2018 19:47

I'd vote for Tommy Robinson for prime minister at least he's not a liar

InspectorIkmen · 23/11/2018 19:52

Then shame on you sonly. Shame on you. And he is a liar. A liar and a convicted criminal. A racist and peddler of hate. A self serving thug who wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire. Shame on you.

sonlypuppyfat · 23/11/2018 19:54

He is what he is, he doesn't hide it

BlancheM · 23/11/2018 19:58

He's not a liar

Hahahahahaha.

AnguaResurgam · 23/11/2018 20:03

This may well be difficult for UKIP to weather.

But open door for Farrage and a new right-wing party.

ilovesooty · 23/11/2018 20:04

Of course he's a liar. So @sonlypuppyfat you'd actually vote for a liar and a criminal?

Patroclus · 23/11/2018 20:05

At least hes not a liar, except for being sent down for fraud, using multiple fake names and using a fake name to get into the US, except for when he showed his admiration for Anders Brevik on TV then tried to lie that it didnt happen.

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