To hope this could be the end for UKIP?

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www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/23/nigel-farage-appalled-by-tommy-robinson-joining-ukip-as-adviser

Basically that idiot Batten has invited Yaxley-Lennon, notorious jailbird, as an adviser on grooming gangs and, of all things, prisons. If it's not the end, I guess it will just morph into EDL-lite and disappear up its own backside.

I'm grateful for the UKIP that got us the Referendum (which had been promised by other politicians but never honoured) and then helped to get the Leave vote. It's one of the turning points of this country's history. Unfortunately, since Nigel Farage stepped down its changed but we badly need that party back again.

its one of the turning points of this countries history that’s not necessarily a good thing!
CatherineTheLate as an fan of Farage what do you think of him making sure he got European passports for his children? Something which will be denied to your children (unless they have an EU member patent)
Can you really not see the hypocrisy in giving his children a future opportunity which will now be denied to millions of our kids?

It's all gone a bit gammon on this thread.

The turning point is good in this case. Don't you think that countries benefit by governing themselves or do you think that they should do as they are told?

As for Nigel Farage I really don't know much about his family life, only what's on Wikipedia. I don't know how old these children are (probably 18 at the most) but they are half-German and live with his German wife who may have wanted them to have these passports. Interestingly, the children of his first marriage are half-Irish but no-one ever seems to ask if they have Irish passports.

I really don't see the hypocrisy, as far as I know he only has a British passport himself and I don't see the future opportunity you refer to. What are you thinking of?

What future opportunities? Working abroad?

It's all gone a bit gammon on this thread.

With a bit of effort, you could have thought up a more original insult. But tell me, what don't you like about people with a different view to your own?

What future opportunities? Working abroad?

But people from all over the world work in the EU. Anyway, why do you think that people want to work in a EU country rather than in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Asia etc.? Leaving the EU makes no difference at all to these countries (unless it makes moving there easier).

But tell me, what don't you like about people with a different view to your own?

Their racism
Their Islamaphobia
Their xenophobia
Their hypocrisy

Need i go on?

So anyone with a different view is racist, Islamaphobic, xenophobic or a hypocrit? I dont agree with any current political party though I would edge towards UKIP as a protest vote simply to use my vote however I really really want an alternative to appear.

I must be xenophobic to hate the fact that my country is changing beyond all recognition

o anyone with a different view is racist, Islamaphobic, xenophobic or a hypocrit?

No just the ones who hold racist, xenophobic, islamaphobic or hypocritical views

Yaxley Lennon is racist and islamaphobic as are his thick as mince apologists. Je is now being welcomed in ukip with open arms.

UKIP is already stuffed to the rafters with members with vile views. Candidate after UKIP candidate has been shown making racist and xenophobic comments.

The leave camp at large cry 'the people have spoken' and 'respect the vote' havong spent the past 40 years trying to overturn a democratically result in an EU referendum. Labelling peope 'remoaners' when they have spent 40 years moaning themselves. That is textbook hypocrisy.

I must be xenophobic to hate the fact that my country is changing beyond all recognition

No your previous posts suggest more of an all purpose bigot.

I must be xenophobic to hate the fact that my country is changing beyond all recognition

Well, if the cap fits and all that.

What have I said that makes me a bigot? I'm curious

But for a whole movement towards nationalism, racism, and other prejudice; this is only the beginning.

I'm surprised it's taken this long for UKIP to team up with Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. UKIP have a shambolic online offer so are basically buying his media reach/followers. I think there will be a resurgence for UKIP with a boost in member numbers for a short spell.

How long that will last and what effect it will have is the thing - there's a lot off pissed of people out there owing to Tory ineptitude and Labour's inability to provide a functioning Opposition.

What have I said that makes me a bigot? I'm curious

Your dimwitted fawning over Yaxley Lennon for a start.

And that makes me a bigot? Do you understand what that word means? You seem to be struggling

Yes i do understand fine well what a bigot is. You are defending and endorsing a racist and xenophobic thug and his views that makes you a bigot.

You seem to struggle... with basic critical thinking.

I'm not struggling with anything. You carry on with what you believe in and see where it gets you

"How are they any worse than all the liars, gravy-trainers, expenses cheaters, careerists, racists and anti-Semites in the other parties? They are all as bad as each other"

They really aren't all as bad as each other. There are lots of MPs from all of the parties who are genuinely trying to do the best they can to bring about a fairer, inclusive society. And then there are others, again from all of the parties, who are happy to trample over the rights of others. To give the same moral equivalence to Tommy Robinson as to Theresa May, even if you hate her politics, is absolutely insane. It's like Trump, in the stand off between neo naxis and people protesting against them, saying that there were good people on both sides. No - one side with morally repugnant views, the other standing up against discrimination and hatred.

sonlypuppyfat where are you expecting your beliefs and endorsement of Tommy Robinson to "get you" ?

I must be xenophobic to hate the fact that my country is changing beyond all recognition err it really isn’t changing beyond recognition. An example?

neolara agree with your statement. When I agreed they were all as bad as Eachother I meant the parties not all the mps- a mix of good and bad eggs in every group. This doesn’t negate or give a pass to the vile individuals such as Tommy Robinson.

OnlyFoolsnMpthers but for some people in some parts of the country there HAS been a huge amount of change in a relatively short period of time. Maybe not for you, but for others this is a reality, and it seems reasonable to me that some people would struggle with this. An example would be a specific part of Bradford, where my parents-in-law grew up and still live. This area has become almost entirely dominated by Muslims during their lifetime. This has been a huge culture shift in their small part of the world. This is not, as far as they are concerned, a wonderfully vibrant multi-ethnic experience. They feel completely at sea and isolated in the area they grew up in. They are angry that this has been allowed to happen. Personally I think their anger is understandable, and I think it’s important that we keep trying to understand these viewpoints and do not shut them down as “bigots”, which seems to be happening on this thread. In fact the very act of accusing people like this of bigotry is what will keep UKIP alive and thriving.

As for Tommy Robinson, I’ve listened to a lot of his interviews, and I don’t actually think he is racist. Islamophobic, almost certainly, but I don’t actually think he cares about race.

People like to bash Tommy Robinson because it makes them sound so very right on and liberal. But very few listen to what he actually says