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To hope this could be the end for UKIP?

130 replies

Miscible · 23/11/2018 14:22

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/23/nigel-farage-appalled-by-tommy-robinson-joining-ukip-as-adviser

Basically that idiot Batten has invited Yaxley-Lennon, notorious jailbird, as an adviser on grooming gangs and, of all things, prisons. If it's not the end, I guess it will just morph into EDL-lite and disappear up its own backside.

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 24/11/2018 10:13

Ok so there are more non- English people around, I’m asking how that affects people’s day to day lives?
I voted brexit and actually agree with Nigel Farage on a lot of things- Tommy Robinson however is a racist thug, don’t recall him filming outside any of the trials of the catholic priest paedophiles

sonlypuppyfat · 24/11/2018 10:15

Was there gangs full of Catholic priests in one community then?

NotACleverName · 24/11/2018 10:16

He's a habitual liar, convicted fraudster and has committed ABH. I couldn't give a shiny shite what he has to say about anything. He's a gobshite football hooligan who never should've been given any kind of platform in the first place.

ForalltheSaints · 24/11/2018 10:24

I wish it would be the end of UKIP- indeed the only good thing I can think about Brexit is 22 UKIP MEPs losing their jobs. I don't think it will be though, especially if Nigel Farage were to return as leader.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/11/2018 10:30

UKIP looked to be in terminal decline since the ref, but TR may revive them.

With TR, they can switch to anti-Islam and hoover up more votes than we might care to acknowledge

  • scapegoating is very effective when there are a lot of people angry at rapid changes and / or at how their lives turned out

Also, UKIP basically lost Farage to his new lucrative career as a sleb and Trump bestie,
so they need a strong new demagogue to lead them

TR is a much more convincing "man of the people" than an ex-City trader
and has genuine wc support, not just votes of convenience

Remember all those young soldiers crowding round him in adulation, when they met him unexpectedly - iirc at a motorway service station

sonlypuppyfat · 24/11/2018 10:31

Yes and didn't those soldiers get the sack

KenDoddsDadsDog · 24/11/2018 10:38

Yes were gangs of catholic priests , brothers. (and nuns) who abused kids and murdered kids. No different to the gangs that TR goes on about . In schools , laundries and mother baby homes . Maybe his Irish roots means he won’t go there eh ?

MardyArabella · 24/11/2018 10:39

We listen to what he says. We just disagree with him completely.

There are many women up and down this country doing real proactive work when it comes to grooming and awareness. I’ve worked alongside some of these women and seen them in action.

But obviously only the great tommy Robinson with his islamaphobic slant is doing anything productive at all.

Hmm
MardyArabella · 24/11/2018 10:40

In my city there are known black grooming gangs, known white grooming gangs and he’s known Asian grooming gangs.

But the media only reports on one I wonder why...

Tulipvase · 24/11/2018 10:41

This is the second thread I’ve read this morning that sonlypuppyfat has attempted to come up with something contentious - must try harder.

surferjet · 24/11/2018 10:42

I think the op ( & others ) will be disappointed.
Tommy Robinson has millions of admirers so it’s a pretty good move on ukips part.
Let’s face it, they were going nowhere fast without Nigel so they desperately needed something.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 24/11/2018 10:54

Millions of admirers? Thousands - maybe. I suppose the good thing about this is it confirms exactly what we always knew UKIPpers are.

derxa · 24/11/2018 11:10

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YeOldeTrout · 24/11/2018 11:28

[Politicians] are all as bad as each other.

No, they aren't. But shrugging their behaviour off with that comment means those who want to be horrible will think they can and should get away with it, as long as they are otherwise 'popular'.

CatherineTheLate · 24/11/2018 11:44

I just looked up the definition of "Bigot" in the Oxford Dictionary online. It says that the word means

A person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

Maybe those who are accusing others of being bigots should remember the old saying that when you point your finger at someone, three are pointing back at you.

This includes me, of course.

CatherineTheLate · 24/11/2018 12:00

Out of curiosity I also found the UKIP constitution which says

2.3 The Party believes that the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (hereinafter “The United Kingdom”) should only be governed by her own citizens and that its governance shall at all times be conducted first and foremost in the interests of the United Kingdom and its peoples and that the only laws that should apply within the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom are those wholly made by the Parliament of the United Kingdom. To that end it shall be the policy of the Party that the United Kingdom shall cease to be a member of the European Union and shall not thereafter make any Treaty or join any international organisation which involves in any way the surrender of any part of the United Kingdom’s sovereignty. The Party further believes that the integrity of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (hereinafter “The United Kingdom”) should be maintained.

2.4 In pursuit of these objectives the Party will at all times adhere to the principle of full equality before the law. The Party shall conduct itself and its affairs in such a way that it does not discriminate against or in favour of any person on the grounds of their race, religion, ethnic origin, education, beliefs, sexual orientation, class, social status, sectarianism or any other basis prescribed by law. Further the Party shall at all times adhere to the principles of the rule of law, liberty, democracy and respect for the human rights and the essential, traditional freedoms of the people of the United Kingdom and those under the protection of the United Kingdom.

2.5 The Party is a democratic, libertarian Party and will espouse policies which:

• promote and encourage those who aspire to improve their personal situation and those who seek to be self-reliant, whilst providing protection for those genuinely in need;
• favour the ability of individuals to make decisions in respect of themselves;
• seek to diminish the role of the State;
• lower the burden of taxation on individuals and businesses;
• ensure proper control over the United Kingdom’s borders;
• strengthen and guarantee the essential, traditional freedoms and liberties of all people in the United Kingdom.

Sounds OK to me although I'm not, and never have been a member.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 24/11/2018 13:10

Was there gangs full of Catholic priests in one community then?...errr yes! The Catholic Church

LakieLady · 24/11/2018 13:25

An example would be a specific part of Bradford, where my parents-in-law grew up and still live. This area has become almost entirely dominated by Muslims during their lifetime. This has been a huge culture shift in their small part of the world. This is not, as far as they are concerned, a wonderfully vibrant multi-ethnic experience. They feel completely at sea and isolated in the area they grew up in. They are angry that this has been allowed to happen.

Areas change all the time though. I used to live in a pleasant, rural market town, that had pretty much everything you needed day-to-day and where a 4x4 was a mud-splattered Land Rover used for lugging hay and stuff around; now I live in somewhere that the affluent Londoners have flocked to, but I'm still in the same place. The useful shops have been replaced by "lifestyle" shops selling overpriced soap, "artisan" bread etc and you can hardly move for Chelsea tractors parked outside overpriced coffee shops.

I spent the first half of my adult life living in a part of South London where the demographic changed dramatically from hugely working-class white to predominantly south Asian Muslim over the course of about 20 years. That was infinitely preferably to the gentrification that is taking place where I live now, at least the locals weren't driven out of their home town by house price inflation, like they are here.

You can't expect the place you live in to stay the same just bea=cause YOU still live there. Culture shifts happen all the time. Look at places like Brixton and Notting Hill: from working class, poor white people, to poor immigrants from the Commonwealth, now the domain of posh nobs and rich hipsters respectively.

It's ok to be pissed off about that sort of change and I get that it's unsettling. Being pissed off because the people moving in to your community are of a different race/nationality/religion is simple prejudice and xenophobia, though, and that's where the rot sets in.

I can remember when racial discrimination was legal. I saw what damage it did and how unfair it was. In my teens, racist graffiti, racial abuse and racial attacks were commonplace and the National Front was very active in the area I lived in. It was awful, sickmaking to witness.

I didn't spend years opposing racism just to see the country I love become dominated by racism and the ilks of Tommy Robinson, Farage et al. And the fact that the rise of the "respectable" right in the form of UKIP and their fellow travellers has created a climate in which it's ok to spout racist shite as long as it's couched in polite language terrifies me.

UnknownStuntman · 24/11/2018 13:36

I dont necessarily think Yaxley Lennon is Islamophobic.

Whenever white people (including those he knows personally) are charged with child sex offences, he says nothing (there are multiple cases where people known to him have been convicted of vile noncery).

Yet, whenever a Muslim is charged, little Stephen goes rampaging around the courts trying to pollute the jury pool and get the Muslim defendants off due to not being able to get a fair trial.

Surely if he were islamophobic, he'd want them to be in jail like his friends are.

UnknownStuntman · 24/11/2018 13:38

CatherineTheGreat, you're right. We can't call that poster a bigot, by definition. We can, however, call it a completely imbecilic, racist cunt.

sonlypuppyfat · 24/11/2018 14:22

UnknownStuntman you kiss your family with that mouth? I've not sworn at all

UnknownStuntman · 24/11/2018 14:46

I didn't say you had sworn. I described you to the best of my knowledge using language that is a) common parlance in these parts and b) accurate.

sonlypuppyfat · 24/11/2018 14:58

Now you see I'm not very keen on child grooming gangs if that makes me a cunt then fair enough

UnknownStuntman · 24/11/2018 15:23

No one I know is keen on child grooming gangs. However I am against child abuse regardless of race/colour/creed. Unfortunately you and your type seem to be only against gangs of brown people.

You're an absolute disgrace and, to be perfectly honest, the sort of person I would not converse with in real life so I will not respond to any more of your bilious drivel.

surferjet · 24/11/2018 15:39

UnknownStuntman

The problem was ( & maybe still is? ) people were turning a blind eye to the Asian grooming gangs for fear of being labelled racist. This is a fact & actually came out in the report.
So yes, we do need people like TR to keep the pressure on Asian child abusers / rapists / grooming gangs, because no one else was doing very much about it.

White grooming gangs are as equally despicable of course, but the authorities wouldnt be scared to act.
Look at the Cliff Richard case - 1 report & he had the entire police force at his door.