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To expect her to accept Christmas with others?

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user1471592953 · 19/11/2018 14:03

Another Christmas one - sorry. In short, is it unreasonable for my mother not to be invited to spend Christmas with my family and MIL this year, and am I responsible for her feelings/should I feel guilty about this?

DH and I have been married six years. We have two very young DC and live in the U.K. DH is from another European country. His mother and sibling live there. MIL is on her own because FIL died recently.

I am an only child of divorced parents. My DM is in her mid seventies, still drives, in good health, etc., etc. DM has a sibling.

The backstory is that I find my DM very critical and not hugely supportive. She seems increasingly self centred.

DH, DS1 and DS2 and I have spent the last two Christmases in the UK with my DM (the first year at her house with ILs; the second at our house because I was heavily pregnant - ILs not present and fine with that).

We have arranged to stay with MIL this Christmas. It was booked in the summer when we found out DH’s DF was very ill. His DF has now died.

We told my DM that we had arranged to spend Christmas away this year. It got a lukewarm reception: no ‘how lovely, have a good time’ reply, but she seemed to take it on board although I sensed her wondering what she was going to do.

Two weeks later, after my FIL died, she emailed suggesting that MIL, sibIL and my family all come to her (again) for Christmas instead. This was on the basis she thought MIL may not want Christmas in her own country this year. DH and I discussed and decided not to tell DMIL about the invitation because she had just lost FIL and we didn’t want her to feel pressure to come because my DM would otherwise be alone, given she wanted to stay in her home country. We reminded DM we had booked to go, had spent the last two years in the U.K. and said we wouldn’t be here this year.

Not wanting DM to be alone for Christmas, I told DM’s sibling we would be away this year. Sibling has now - as is usual - invited DM for Christmas. DH reported this to DMIL.

I spoke to DM last week who said she has been invited to her sibling’s for Christmas and wasn’t it kind of them because otherwise she didn’t know what she would have done.

AIBU to feel slightly irritated about her invitation to MIL, etc., when she knew what had been arranged and the subsequent ‘don’t know what I would have done’ comment, which I think was intended to make me feel guilty? I am not in a position to ask her to MIL’s for Christmas. Earlier in the year I know that MIL had planned to ask her but then FIL died and she didn’t want to host anyone other than immediate family. Surely that is okay? I didn’t appreciate my DM’s implication that I was responsible. FWIW, DH agrees with the conclusions I drew about DM’s attitude. In addition, do I need to feel responsible every year for her happiness? She can’t always expect to be involved, can she, given DH and his family aren’t from the U.K?

Interested to hear views. Thanks.

OP posts:
Lydiaatthebarre · 19/11/2018 14:34

I don't see what your mother has done wrong. She accepted you would be going away for Christmas, extended an invite to your in laws after your FIL died in case they would prefer to get away from old memories at Christmas and has accepted that her invitation was not take up on.

She is now grateful to her sister for inviting her for Christmas.

Maybe I'm missing something but I'm not seeing any demanding or diva like behaviour.

user1457017537 · 19/11/2018 14:36

Nor me

Grumpasaurus · 19/11/2018 14:38

Nor me...

Sisgal · 19/11/2018 14:40

Agree with PP, am not seeing what the problem is??

user1471592953 · 19/11/2018 14:42

Thanks, everyone. I agree there was no demanding or diva like behaviour. I just think there has been an undercurrent of trying to make me feel guilty, which I don’t really like.

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ohlittlepea · 19/11/2018 14:43

Nor me

Orangesox · 19/11/2018 14:44

I think it’s difficult to others to comment if they themselves don’t have a “difficult” mother. This isolated incident doesn’t really sound like the stuff of nightmares, but given that my mother is equally difficult and self centred, I suspect there’s been a heavy undertone of “woe is me, I’m going to be on my own, everyone else should cow tow to my suggestions and dance to my tune regardless of the fact I have other options”.

I sympathise heavily, last year was the first time in 13 years that DH and I went to the PIL’s for actual Christmas Day, there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth, text messages about impending heart attacks because of the upset etc. She has 5 siblings she could’ve gone to for lunch, all would have welcomed her.... but no, that wasn’t good enough Hmm

You are not the master of your mothers destiny, you are not the sole charge of her happiness. You might find the stately homes thread on the relationships board useful for support!

Mulberry72 · 19/11/2018 14:46

I don’t see what she’s done wrong? Sorry.

Lydiaatthebarre · 19/11/2018 14:47

That's totally different Orangesox. I think you're projecting here.

OP obviously it is going to be difficult for your mother when you spend Christmas abroad with ILs, given you are her only child and she is divorced from your father. And naturally that is going to come across a bit it her reaction. But she seems to be doing her best to be agreeable about it all. You're both in a difficult situation here, and reading things into nothing isn't going to help.

user1471592953 · 19/11/2018 14:49

Thanks, Orangesox. No, it definitely isn’t the stuff of nightmares! But the way you sum things up is about right. I think the problem is that I don’t have any siblings and she doesn’t have an H. So I do feel responsible but I wish I didn’t and I don’t think she should make me feel that way.

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pigsDOfly · 19/11/2018 14:51

Another one here not see an issue.

Tbh your OP reads as if you're trying to make a huge deal out of absolutely nothing. Are you feeling guilty? It does sound rather that you are.

Your DM invitation could be seen as her wanting to take the pressure off DIL.

To answer your question though, no you're not responsible for your DM and her happiness but your OP does make it sound as though she can't do right for doing wrong.

InProgress · 19/11/2018 14:51

I do have a difficult mother and I'm not picking up an issue other than OP feels guilty.

Lydiaatthebarre · 19/11/2018 14:51

But family are responsible for making sure each other are okay and have somewhere to go for Christmas. What's wrong with that? Your mother is now sorted. She's going to her sister and is happy about that. No problem that I can see.

user1471592953 · 19/11/2018 14:53

Thanks, Lydia. I just wish she could say (even once) that what I’m doing sounds nice and she hopes we have a good time. It would really help me not to feel bad any time we don’t (can’t) involve her. The teeth gnashing isn’t as bad as Orangesox suggests, but the undercurrent regarding Christmas in particular (which she regards as time for family only) is always there.

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SoyDora · 19/11/2018 14:53

She seems to have dealt with it pretty well when I imagine she was disappointed. My mother’s reaction would have been far more dramatic and guilt inducing!

TheFaerieQueene · 19/11/2018 14:54

No one ‘makes’ you feel anything. You make yourself feel what you feel.

MereDintofPandiculation · 19/11/2018 14:56

No, you're not responsible for her happiness. But there is a feeling that Christmas should be spent with families, so if you decide not to invite a member of your family for Christmas, it may be not so easy for her to find an alternative - it's not quite the same as, eg, not inviting her to a family day at the seaside. This year she has her sib, so all's fine. But if you get into the habit of always going abroad and spending Christmas with MIL, sibling me feel she's being asked to bear more than her fair share.

It was quite kind of her to invite MIL. Don't think you should be annoyed about that. Even if the arrangements had already been made, circumstances had changed, and it would be normal to think a new widow might not want the effort of hosting Christmas.

Even though I can under stand your reasoning and concern for MIL, it was rather infantilising her to make the decision for her.

SaucyJack · 19/11/2018 14:56

I think you’ve had the best reaction you’re going to get.

She obviously isn’t going to do the gracious “Don’t worry about me. I’ll be fine.” thing, so I’d just be pleased that she hasn’t made more of a fuss personally.

OhLemons · 19/11/2018 14:58

I think you are projecting your feelings onto your Mum. From what you have said, she has not done anything to suggest you are responsible for her, those feelings are yours.

user1471592953 · 19/11/2018 15:02

Thank you, everyone. All points taken on board.

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BumbleBeee69 · 19/11/2018 15:03

She did try to make a snidey comment OP, she was definitely having a 'woe is me' dig at you.

I'd ignore it, and I'd ignore all other attempt at little digs and live your life Flowers

ifonly4 · 19/11/2018 15:05

It's so hard. My Mum means well in her own way but can be difficult. She has spent 19/22 Christmases with us and I wish we had somehow made the break earlier - partly because it's not an easy day with her and I could relax more with other family, but also my husband has a large family who he rarely sees on the big day.

I suspect she invited you all as she wanted she you around. However, this first Christmas for you MIL isn't going to be easy and she may just need a quiet Christmas in her own way. Also, I'm sure MIL would love some quality time with her son at this time and there may be things she needs practical help with at the moment as well.

Go with the arrangements you have, but obviously find some time to spend with your DM either before or after. Easier said than done, but try not to dwell on it too much.

diddl · 19/11/2018 15:08

Christmas with your sibling isn't quite the same as seeing your child & GC though is it, so if she let some disappointment show-so what?

If I was on my own with an only child, I suppose I'd be hoping for most Christmases with them.

CheerfulMuddler · 19/11/2018 15:11

It's not unreasonable of you to spend Christmas with your mil, no. And you shouldn't feel guilty about that. However, it's not unreasonable for your mother to be anxious about where she's going to spend Christmas either, and I actually think she's been very restrained about it all. Inviting mil for Christmas at her house was a nice thing to do - not everyone wants to host Christmas the year after their partner has died, and if you have two small children there'll be a limit to how much you can help.

I think expecting her to sound pleased about you going abroad is a bit unreasonable. But going is fine.

HolyandWild · 19/11/2018 15:12

I had a difficult father who would attempt to manipulate me when he wasn't in control by very subtly trying to make me responsible for his well-being. He always made it seem to everyone else that he was just being lovely!

Not saying this is your case but bottom line is that you have been clear with your decisions, she has made another offer which as an adult you are free to accept or decline without any feeling of guilt Smile