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To expect her to accept Christmas with others?

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user1471592953 · 19/11/2018 14:03

Another Christmas one - sorry. In short, is it unreasonable for my mother not to be invited to spend Christmas with my family and MIL this year, and am I responsible for her feelings/should I feel guilty about this?

DH and I have been married six years. We have two very young DC and live in the U.K. DH is from another European country. His mother and sibling live there. MIL is on her own because FIL died recently.

I am an only child of divorced parents. My DM is in her mid seventies, still drives, in good health, etc., etc. DM has a sibling.

The backstory is that I find my DM very critical and not hugely supportive. She seems increasingly self centred.

DH, DS1 and DS2 and I have spent the last two Christmases in the UK with my DM (the first year at her house with ILs; the second at our house because I was heavily pregnant - ILs not present and fine with that).

We have arranged to stay with MIL this Christmas. It was booked in the summer when we found out DH’s DF was very ill. His DF has now died.

We told my DM that we had arranged to spend Christmas away this year. It got a lukewarm reception: no ‘how lovely, have a good time’ reply, but she seemed to take it on board although I sensed her wondering what she was going to do.

Two weeks later, after my FIL died, she emailed suggesting that MIL, sibIL and my family all come to her (again) for Christmas instead. This was on the basis she thought MIL may not want Christmas in her own country this year. DH and I discussed and decided not to tell DMIL about the invitation because she had just lost FIL and we didn’t want her to feel pressure to come because my DM would otherwise be alone, given she wanted to stay in her home country. We reminded DM we had booked to go, had spent the last two years in the U.K. and said we wouldn’t be here this year.

Not wanting DM to be alone for Christmas, I told DM’s sibling we would be away this year. Sibling has now - as is usual - invited DM for Christmas. DH reported this to DMIL.

I spoke to DM last week who said she has been invited to her sibling’s for Christmas and wasn’t it kind of them because otherwise she didn’t know what she would have done.

AIBU to feel slightly irritated about her invitation to MIL, etc., when she knew what had been arranged and the subsequent ‘don’t know what I would have done’ comment, which I think was intended to make me feel guilty? I am not in a position to ask her to MIL’s for Christmas. Earlier in the year I know that MIL had planned to ask her but then FIL died and she didn’t want to host anyone other than immediate family. Surely that is okay? I didn’t appreciate my DM’s implication that I was responsible. FWIW, DH agrees with the conclusions I drew about DM’s attitude. In addition, do I need to feel responsible every year for her happiness? She can’t always expect to be involved, can she, given DH and his family aren’t from the U.K?

Interested to hear views. Thanks.

OP posts:
WhatToDoAboutWailmerGoneRogue · 19/11/2018 15:20

YABU. Your mum hasn’t done anything wrong here. She accepted you were going away, offered respite for your MIL after circumstances and was fine when that was declined, and is now happy she’s going to her sisters.

There is no problem here; stop trying to create one.

Your mum has been very kind and I don’t think she’s even attempted to make you feel guilty.

pigsDOfly · 19/11/2018 15:27

Actually OP I think you being very unfair to your DM.

I'm in a slightly similar position in that I spent last Christmas on my own and will possibly be doing so this year. My DD and family lives a five minute walk away but I'm not even invited round for a cup of tea or to see my DGC open the pricey presents I buy them.

In all honesty I'm not a big one for Christmas and actually aren't that bothered, but at the same time I'm not going to get all excited for them and tell how lovely it all sounds for them.

It's not unreasonable for your DM to feel disappointed that she's not invited to her only child's home for Christmas, and given that she did offer to host but has been refused, I think you're being very unfair to expect her to say how lovely everything is for you to be going to somewhere else for your family Christmas. I imagine she was hoping to see her DGC over the holiday as well.

Veganfortheanimals · 19/11/2018 15:27

What is your mum supposed to of done wrong? It's not very clear

NicePieceOfPlaid · 19/11/2018 15:29

YABU. Agree with last poster.

Antigon · 19/11/2018 15:29

I spoke to DM last week who said she has been invited to her sibling’s for Christmas and wasn’t it kind of them because otherwise she didn’t know what she would have done.

This is quite manipulative stuff. She's making it your problem in a way.

You say it's usual for your aunt to invite to DM, so it's clear DM has other options apart from you and knows what she 'could have done'.

It's more guilt trippy shit. I would have been tempted to respond 'yes I spoke to aunt to let her know we will be going abroad for Christmas' but don't do that, the shit will hit the fan!

chocatoo · 19/11/2018 15:33

I also feel a bit sorry for your Mum. I expect she wishes she could see you on Christmas Day as you are her only child, also she will miss seeing her only grandchildren. I think in future years it would be kind to include both Mums in your plans (and maybe Auntie too!) although I understand that this year is an exception due to DFIL's passing so recently.

anniehm · 19/11/2018 15:34

I think you feel guilt, she seems to have taken it in her stride. I think it was lovely that she invited dmil to hers.

calamariqueen · 19/11/2018 15:35

I have a DM who's always trying to emotionally blackmail me, especially around where I spend Christmas, so can totally understand why you're feeling bad about the situation and the whole PA "at least someone cares" approach to her sister's invitation. I don't think YABU to feel like she's having a dig, just try to not let it get to you & enjoy your Christmas holiday Smile

Lydiaatthebarre · 19/11/2018 15:38

"It's more guilt trippy shit. I would have been tempted to respond 'yes I spoke to aunt to let her know we will be going abroad for Christmas' but don't do that, the shit will hit the fan!"

Why on earth would you be tempted to say something like that?
Some people just seem to see antagonism where none exists.

RiverTam · 19/11/2018 15:43

I think she was definitely trying to guilt trip you - and successfully, it appears.

You can't control what she says or does, but you can control your response. Easier said than done, of course!

Antigon · 19/11/2018 15:43

@Lydiaatthebar

Because OP has said her mum is critical, unsupportive and self-centred.

Some people choose to ignore what the OP says, but hey ho.

Lydiaatthebarre · 19/11/2018 15:46

"Because OP has said her mum is critical, unsupportive and self-centred."

Where did she say that?

Antigon · 19/11/2018 15:47

In her OP Lydia.

Lydiaatthebarre · 19/11/2018 15:47

Oh yes, in her opening post.

But many of us who have read it can not see what she has done wrong in relation to Christmas, so why would you make a hurtful remark when she is prepared to happily go to her sister's.?

Antigon · 19/11/2018 15:55

I didn't say I would make a hurtful remark. I said I would be tempted to say I had spoken to the aunt to tell her we're going abroad but I also
said 'don't do that'.
Because sometimes we are tempted to speak our mind in response to catty comments but that doesn't mean that we do what we are tempted to do.

And I don't write my posts based on what other people have written. Also, the way you have tried to pit me against others on this thread is really antagonistic actually. You've said 'many of us cannot see...so why would YOU do this'. As if you are the majority and I am the minority so you get to decide what I write.

Lydiaatthebarre · 19/11/2018 15:59

I'm not trying to pit you against others. I am saying that, on the basis of the OP's post, the majority of people on this thread cannot see that the mother has done anything wrong.

On a separate note I cannot understand why, when the mother is prepared to spend Christmas with her sister, anyone would even be tempted to make a hurtful remark implying that the sister had to be persuaded to invite her.

SaucyJack · 19/11/2018 16:04

“ I think you're being very unfair to expect her to say how lovely everything is for you to be going to somewhere else for your family Christmas”

Why? She is still the parent in this situation. She could be the bigger person and try and make the OP feel less guilty- especially as she knows her MIL lives abroad and is recently widowed. You can still be kind to your children for the sheer sake of it even when they’re grown up.

But she’s chosen to leave the OP feeling shitty about it.

If you think this is normal parenting, I’m not super surprised you don’t get invited to your own DC’s for Xmas tbh.

OrdinarySnowflake · 19/11/2018 16:06

I can see what you are trying to say OP - the "I don't know what I would have done" comment was designed to make you feel guilty, to try to force you to change your plans - when she knew full well she'd be invited to her sisters, so there was never a risk of her being alone on Christmas day (unless she wanted to be).

Inviting your MIL to hers after being told you had already booked flights was manipulative, she knew you had plans back in the summer, but rather than make her own plans back then, she started trying to change yours (and MIL/SILs) to suit her ideal outcome, you spending Christmas at her house.

It sounds like rather than accept you wouldn't be spending Christmas day with her (and given that you are married to a man from overseas, this might be something that would come up every few years that most parents would plan for), she's tried to find a way to change that.

Stick to your plans, the guilt trip is just that. Designed to upset you and make you feel bad for making a perfectly reasonable choice to treat both mothers equally (neither have a DH to spend Christmas day with).

You haven't done anything wrong, don't feel bad.

Aridane · 19/11/2018 16:08

I don't see what she has done wrong (like quite a few other posters). I suspect it is more a case of you feeling guilty rather than DM trying to make you feel guilty

oh4forkssake · 19/11/2018 16:08

This sounds like a case of death by a thousand cuts to me. PPs are right - there is ostensibly nothing wrong in what your mother has said or done. But only you can understand the tone and delivery.

I think you just need to ignore it though. I usually find that's best :)

Antigon · 19/11/2018 16:11

Again, because OP has said her mum is critical, unsupportive and self-centred. If someone like that makes a remark designed to make me feel guilty, and so it's a hurtful comment, I might be tempted to respond in kind. Doesn't mean I actually would though. There's the difference.

user1471592953 · 19/11/2018 16:28

OrdinarySnowflake (16.06) has perfectly summed up my take on the situation.

I know it isn’t easy to convey the tone and delivery of DM’s comments. I couldn’t have said anything more without making the post inaccurate. I have taken on board comments encouraging me to see it from her point of view. My original irritation still stands though and I’m glad there are some who see my point of view, even if not everyone agrees with it.

OP posts:
Iloveacurry · 19/11/2018 16:29

She probably is trying to make you feel a bit guilty with her comment. But, even though you are an only child, surely she can’t expect her to spend every Christmas with her, especially as your husband is from another country with family living there?

OrdinarySnowflake · 19/11/2018 16:34

I think that the comment is bad as it comes after knowing for months her DD is going away at Christmas, but rather than making her own plans, refused to make a plan that didn't involve trying to get DD to stay in the UK with her. Then make her DD feel guilty about refusing to change the plans, pretending she thought she would spend the day alone, even though she had other family to spend the day with, whom she knew would happily invite her to join them.

If you've known since the summer one person won't be able to come to your house on Christmas day, you make other plans that don't involve that 1 person, not just try to find ways to make that 1 person come to your house on Christmas day. If you've failed to even try to make other plans, you don't make that 1 person feel bad about refusing to change their plans to be at your house on Christmas day.

MissEliza · 19/11/2018 16:37

I think she was trying to make you feel guilty but I don't see what you can do differently this year. Just try to make it up next year.

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