To be fed up of mnetters behaving as if everywhere outside London is the third world

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Ok an exaggeration but only a slight one

I live up north. We have a John Lewis here and everything.

Yuppies? Is it 1985 where you live Witchy?

I agree that parliament should be moved out of London and more power devolved.

Ha ha met some friends of a friend once who told me they had just moved to “the country.”

😂 DP and I say that, we moved about half an hour outside of London and can get the train to Clapham in 40 mins. Public transport is shite though and places actually close at 4 on Sundays so feels pretty rural to us.

Plus we have horses in the field opposite our house and deer in our garden

It does seem like it’s either love it or hate it when it comes to London on MN. Yea its expensive, but wages are higher, and lots of the property owners bought way back in the day and aren’t rich. My parents just sold their London home for triple what they bought it when I was a child. They sold it before it even made it online so there must be people buying!

Edinburgh at Christmas - unbeatable.

Queenofthedrivensnow - hmmmm I wouldn’t say Plymouth was particularly cultured! The jobs market here is crap too - lots of minimum wage retail and hospitality but little else. At least house prices are cheap!

London cannot be all that.

They don't even have Booths.

The place is a crap hole.

It just absolutely isn't though. Its ridiculous to say that. It's a busy, beautiful, historic city. It's not for everyone obviously but to write it off like that just sounds so limited.

I've lived all over, including ten years on mainland Europe and London is the only place where I didn't start to feel trapped and bored after a few years. Saying that isn't meant to criticise elsewhere though.

I live about 50 miles north of New York City in an area called the Hudson Highlands and I get this too from my city friends. I worked in the city for many years.

Native New York City residents think that where I live, or anywhere you can't get to by subway (tube) is all dirt roads with chickens running around, so it's not just a UK thing.

up North you can just own a car and actually move more than 10mph in rush hour

The worst traffic I have ever experienced was during rush hour every evening when I stayed at my parents house for a week, in a small town in the Midlands.

Extremes are more interesting to post about than average stuff, which is why MN feels like it's only populated by really rich and really poor people, city types and really rural types, 'slummy mummies' and fashionistas etc etc.

I'm one of those 'used to live in London but love going on about how I couldn't stand to live there now' types . I don't even like going there any more! I lived in London/SE for the first 43 years of my life and am loving being in the rural NW. YANBU OP.

London cannot be all that. They don't even have Booths.

Exactly. Like Waitrose but better.

So weird that so many are always so ready to bash London.

If you don't like it, whatever, but to say it's a shithole is a bit weird. It's one of the most historical and culturally important cities in the world.

It just comes across as wanting to be spiteful, like they're a little jel that they don't live in London.

I live just outside London and my hometown is in the north...I love living down south! My hometown you can't get food past 9 0'clock in restaraunts and the only takeaways are pizza,kebab or fish and chips...and everybody does the same thing every week.

born and raised in London, now live with walking distance of London. I love being able to get a train into the City but I would never live "in" London again. Ive lived in areas like Crystal Palace which people rave about on here. They are really not worth the money people seem to be prepared to pay to live there.

I’m a born & bred Londoner still here in the same place I grew up & I love London but it cracks me up when people say yes pay 800k for that property & you have the Horniman museum etc. Yeah it’s not that great!

On the other hand my parents are immigrants & all extended family is abroad so I’ve not travelled much in England. Apparently this is the crime of the century.

CarolDanvers

We have differing opinions and that’s fine. 3 years was enough for me. I personally didn’t find it beautiful. It was a sea of grubby concrete with limited and overcrowded green space.

Culture and art are lost on me so that probably doesn’t help.

So you assume all towns are like that in the North Booie ?

This post comes to you from the Wild West of the USA. It was pony-expressed some 3000 miles across an empty wasteland of states that are not California, Florida or New York and therefore no one outside the USA has ever heard of them nor cares to. It evaded capture by the millions of gun-toting, loud and arrogant Americans wearing MAGA hats who inhabit these states and and made it to the teeming diverse streets of NYC where it was vetted by the FBI to ensure it didn't say anything rude about POTUS. It was then given to a 3rd generation Italian American, who, having been made an offer he couldn't refuse by his Godfather, put it in a bottle and tossed it into the Atlantic.

It washed up on the shores of the U.K where it was found by a poor Brexiteer fisherman, who, being unable to fish that day because of EU restrictions and unable to read because the local school he'd daily walked 25 miles to attend (barefoot in the dead of winter) had a poor Ofsted rating, delivered it to the local vicar. He could read it (having been educated at an independent school followed by RG uni natch) saw that it was of vital importance and arranged for it to be transported to London by a kindly farmer with a horse and cart who was taking a load of avocados to a legendary market there called Waitrose.

Finally having reached civilization, the message found its way into the hands of a latte-sipping mner who, pausing only to tell off the farmer for parking his horse and cart in the spaces exclusively reserved for Chelsea tractors containing parents and their pfbs, took a picture of it with her smartphone and instagrammed it to her NCT group from whence it went viral.

So non-London is the just same as or better than London and it's ridiculous to think other places have fewer cultural opportunities, inadequate public transport and poor internet connectivity, but at the same time, underinvestment means everywhere outside London has one bus a day and there's no fast broadband?

Almost like ‘non-London’ spans a huge range of very different places, isn’t it.

Never implied it did not. Just pointing out it’s a very historic city.

Oh right. The phrase "Edinburgh v London" must mean something different to you then. To me it implies a comparison/contest.

and made it to the teeming diverse streets of NYC where it was vetted by the FBI to ensure it didn't say anything rude about POTUS.

Umm, the FBI and POTUS are not on good terms these days, so I think they wouldn't have been bothered to check.

Excuse me, I have multiple guns to clean.

I'm from up North but have lived all over the shop including London. I haven't noticed a bias one way or the other on here.

OP - my mum (London born but went North to uni and stayed) was always in the 'sshh, don't tell anyone how good it is here or they'll all come' brigade! So maybe it's good if people think London is the centre of the universe?!

Shurrup moaning! This is what happens when you give a northerner a t'ipad and a platform to speak. Know your limits! 😉

@Forallthesaints I’m from Manchester, we have busses all through the night here, crazy times

Why do people think people with low salaries don’t live in London. There’s many deprived areas and plenty of council and housing association homes. Other than rent, what’s so expensive about London?

I’m on £21,600 a year and love in zone 1. Rent is £620pm.

I dream of living in the country side, or even a little bit out like sidcup. I’ve lived in London my whole life and the country life, or jist somewhere quieter than London with more greenery, seems wonderful to me. Unfortunately it’ll probably never happen for me and to be honest I don’t know if I’d end up hating it as it’s the unknown to me and I might end up missing London too much.

Op, I'm so far north that we don't even have a John Lewis.

#NotAllMumsnetters

@ElainaElephant OMG! What do you do for a Tiger Prawn Ring of a xmas then?