To be worried that this news will be buried?

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What with it being CIN and May having to replace cabinet ministers again, I'm worried that this isn't being more widely reported.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/16/uk-austerity-has-inflicted-great-misery-on-citizens-un-says

For all the government say that Universal Credit is working to get people back into work, the UN reporter on extreme poverty and human rights finds that a fifth of the UK population is living in poverty now.

Why?

Because I think they created a fair society with tons of opportunity. Everyone had an affordable house. Everybody had free education and healthcare of a good standard. We had publicly owned utilities which were well run and efficient. They had genuine respect for the working class and offered them real opportunities to better themselves with skills and knowledge rather than telling them that they should just vegetate on benefits.

bollocks Ginger ive posted about how badly homeless ppl are treated.

you seem to be very invested in my posting history and rewriting it i wonder why that is.

Gingerrogered I agree about war, it’s always been a good way of getting rid of a few million people. Unfortunately for the rich, they can’t let it happen again because this time round, their arses would be on the line too, because of nuclear weapons. How they’d love to send millions off to be slaughters like in ww1. So they’ll let us starve to death instead.

The modern grammar school system was created in 1944. I loathe G-schools. Fundamentally elitist & unfair. Kids who have advantages get (got) to keep them.

There was such a desperate shortage of labour in 1940s, hard not for people to be employed, if they were even a little bit willing.

Because you really get on my nerves Helena, I've been literally on the streets homeless. I have a shaky private sector rental tenancy and can't guarantee to my kids I will be living in somewhere they will be able to go to the same school from one month to the next.

So, y'know, it gets really grating listening to you day in day out about how your secure tenancy is so shit and you're so badly treated.

borderline, did you see that Stephen Hawking had an unpublished work at his death which said he thought that the super rich were going to kill most of the general population and only keep what they needed for slaves? It's incredibly frightening.

There was also a fantastic article in the New Yorker about wealth hoarding pre WWI and WWII. Daddy Warbucks in Annie is a true to life character - billionaires while families were so poor they had to put them in orphanages just to get them fed.

I hope we don't have to have another war to correct this bullshit. Not worth the lives.

lljk. My Grandmother (in the 1930s) and my mother and father in the 1950s all went to grammar schools. They were shit poor people. They achieved things which would just not be possible for working class people today.

My mother ran an anti-apartheid charity and my father was the deputy head of a London University. My Dad washed shitty nappies in a hospital laundry to put himself through university. These days he'd be in a sink school where he wouldn't even get a C in GCSEs. This is a man who has a masters degree from SOAS. No way would a child in his situation these days have the same opportunities. And my Mum -No fucking way! That woman used to instigate civil disobedience and break up the AGMs of any companies who traded in SA by protesting.

I know, if they were transported to the present day as kids - no way would they achieve the same things. Grammar schools were incredible for them and allowed them to achieve so much more than their 'place' in life should have allowed them.

oh i didnt realize you had children Ginger i thought you didnt going by a post of yours on the previous page.

so you were rewriting my posting history because you are in a private rental.

you do realize that HAs and private landlords behave in much the same ways now.

Something that reallocates wealth without giving it to the undeserving poor.

I'm amazed that someone who purports to be on the side of fairness still believes in a Victorian ideal like 'the undeserving poor'. It's a good thing those who started all those things in the 40s didn't share your beliefs. The belief that there are 'undeserving poor' underlined a whole raft of policies which lead to untold misery for millions of people.

Ginger we now have a drug addict in the block Its only a block of four flats so not big.

one of his crackhead friends was in the block yesterday morning upstairs outside my door.

Last year my DH was threatened with removal of the item that is basically his legs.

But as its a secure tenancy none of this matters right?

So, y'know, it gets really grating listening to you day in day out about how your secure tenancy is so shit and you're so badly treated.

Because all HAs and councils treat their tenants so incredibly well. How dare they, eh? After all, it's secure and all. You sound more like you're posting from a point of bitterness rather than wanting increased fairness.

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there is a bloody good chance that DHs illness will kill him he doesnt use a scooter for jollies And why on earth you felt the need to completely rewrite my posting history by saying the scooter was mine makes you sound unhinged. My friends mum had COPD and died 3 years ago.

but all you saw was secure tenancy.

The really bad part about the myth of the undeserving poor is that it was used to punish those who cannot 'just better themselves'. Plenty of those who wound up in workhouses were working! In fact, more than a few hundred thousands of those who wound up in them in Ireland had been crofters, hardly 'vegetating' people. It was used to, as SGB pointed out, propagate feudalism on a major scale. It's incredibly telling when someone states that the problem is 'giving money to the undeserving poor' rather than wealth hoarding.

@dontalltalkatonce Catharine Arnold"s books are very good.

Funny how keen people are to bash the 'undeserving' poor, yet never any mention is made of the undeserving rich. Many rich people are simply the descendants of those who made an effective resources grab a few decades or centuries ago and managed to stay on the right side of those whose descendants had done it a little bit earlier - or whoever came in to try and sieze some of it back. A fair few others have made their millions by entirely ruthless exploitation of others (fighting the introduction of the medium wage, moving production to countries where it's still OK to pay people about 50p a day).

BTW, an interesting point about inequality only being solved by war. I certainly hope it doesn't come to that. However, I have a nasty feeling that there may be violence in the near future if inequality is not addressed.

Funny how keen people are to bash the 'undeserving' poor, yet never any mention is made of the undeserving rich.

So true. Because they see the 'undeserving poor' as stealing from them, but not the undeserving rich, who do the exact same thing by not paying their fair share in taxes, but of course, they can retreat a lot easier, even though those who don't target them actually give far more of what they earn due to the latter. Soft target, methinks.

zero hours thread.

twitter.com/SteveGarner5/status/1063714906476867584

Because they see the 'undeserving poor' as stealing from them, but not the undeserving rich, who do the exact same thing by not paying their fair share in taxes, but of course, they can retreat a lot easier, even though those who don't target them actually give far more of what they earn due to the latter. Soft target, methink

No. I see the middle class as people who say that working class people can't possibly live or eat or house themselves without middle class mumsnetters

The decline here in the last 10 years is truly, truly staggering. Food banks were something I'd heard of but they were only ever accessed by a minority in absolute dire need. Not a staple of modern Britain with collection points in supermarkets. I mean, just think about going to another so-called stable country and seeing that!? And because it's been so insidious people just accept it as normal now?
I want to live in Germany too. I wish I spoke the language :(

@KingPrawnBalls

Ginger so you resent Helena for fighting for her disabled husband, because you are having a hard time. The fuck is wrong with you.

Sorry I'm gonna have to post in parts as its another essay

"I don’t think that lack of money plus high levels of immigration helps to be honest. There is simply less to go round" except that's not true, there IS money available but it's being spent on reducing taxes for the already wealthy, propping up the govt with bribes for dup, paying for the brexit shambles, bailing out failing/failed businesses, MP's second homes, expenses, HUGE pensions for ex MP's, security/protection for ex mps...

The money IS there they are just choosing to spend it essentially on themselves & their cronies which is what they always do!

Meanwhile public services are run into the ground and when labour next get in they'll appear to be "overspending" when actually they're fixing the Tory fuck ups!

Personally I don't consider new labour, true labour. So essentially we've had a Tory govt for almost 40 years and look at the fucking mess we're in!

"Conservatives hate and want to punish the poor. Yet the fuckers keep being voted in." I really don't understand anyone working class voting Tory. I suspect some of those who are working class, getting tax credits & voted Tory last time or time before are now shocked at the realisation that when the tories talk/talked about "benefit scroungers" they meant them too! I've come across this shocked realisation a few times in real life & nearly bit my tongue in half to avoid saying "well what did you bloody think they meant?!"

"The millions getting tax credits will find it very difficult to private rent." Yep! I think that's going to come as a huge shock to many.