To think mumsnet is full of hate crime?

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The whole active thread list is always taken up by tons of trans bashing threads. How is it acceptable? Anything relating to anyone transgender is bashed. If this was against another minority of people, race, sexuality, religion it would be taken down and reported as hate crime. I don’t understand how the feminism board makes it acceptable?

Have you tried telling the TRAs that Verbeena?

Randomusername01

I like the @ feature. Far easier to address a particular poster etc. And yes, if others are going to have a go at me for not following the unwritten rule on not @ tting then I shall do the same.

As I said, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Whataboutery refers to arguments where posters give another example to illustrate their point.

No, it is not. It is a logical fallacy. Like the "No True Scotsman" tactic.

And please dont @me. It's not allowed you know.

Nonsense. It most certainly is allowed. If you don't like, ask the person who does it not to do it.

Have you tried telling the TRAs that Verbeena?

Why would she even have met any? People always used to ask me this too on the feminist boards, "have you said this to the TRAs too?". It used to confuse me because, like, I'm a feminist. I'm not a TRA. And here I am, talking to my fellow feminists about what I think, and we're all discussing it. If I ever met a TRA and we were having this conversation I'd be pretty sure to tell them what I think too, but to date it hasn't happened! Should I be seeking them out? I didn't seek out Mumsnet, this is just where I hang out

Gender is a social construct. As a transgender woman I have a sex of male but a gender of female

But what does "having a gender" entail? How do I know my gender? Because I reject a lot of the social constructs attributed to women. This is a genuine question, I am jones puzzled.

Jones? That was supposed to say honestly!

And there you go Randomusername01. Read FloralBunting post above.

You're not respecting my boundaries, or potentially any female boundaries, by persisting in @ tting.

Honestly it's a thing. But I've only seen it on the FWR boards and only ever against posters who disagree with the majority view there.

I concur, it is absolutely a thing.

but you're not "allowed" to do it with an opposing view on the feminist board for some reason.

Oh, bullshit.

Have you tried telling the TRAs that Verbeena?

Ive told TRAs my thoughts. Suffice to say that if your view disagrees with their agenda they dont want to know...that includes the fact that I am transsexual myself!

As I said, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

That only works when you serve the someones own shitty behaviour directly back at them. Otherwise its just show copying shitty behaviour and dishing it out to everyone i.e. your just being shitty. I've certainly never told you or anyone not to @me.

You're not respecting my boundaries, or potentially any female boundaries, by persisting in @ tting.

You made me giggle, this is almost verbatim what I've seen written.

No other characteristic is dependent on the crime a person has committed. If a woman commits a crime they are a still a woman, if a black person commits a crime they are still black, and on and on. If transwomen are women then so is Karen white. I don't have to do mental gymnastics about this it might be worth asking why you do. I don't think Karen white is a woman and I think people who call Karen a woman are complicit in the further hurt of the women he raped.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale I did ask them not to @ me. Their response was to @ me again and to tell me that I am not the god of @ tting and they will do it if they want.

Interesting that PP above describes this as disrespecting female boundaries.

I feel that the question ‘what is a woman’ is therfore under the umbrella of whataboutary however most of us will answer it to some degree (weather you accept it or not is another matter) whereas you all don’t seem to want to answer any questions. Some debate.

Early what questions would you like answered?

Interesting that PP above describes this as disrespecting female boundaries.
Very interesting isn’t it? Almost like anything that an individual woman doesn’t like/agree with equates to disrespecting all female boundaries. I believe we also have a word for that - narcissistic behaviour.

Ive told TRAs my thoughts. Suffice to say that if your view disagrees with their agenda they dont want to know...that includes the fact that I am transsexual myself!

You're not the first person to say that to me. We had a very longstanding trans woman who used to post on here and she valiantly tried to act as some sort of medium between the two camps. Unfortunately all that happened was that she was shredded by the TRAs AND shredded by the GC feminists of FWR. Many of those who would regularly misgender and mock her are now banned, or at least have name changed.

She was wonderful, I really enjoyed her heartfelt posts and the clear good intentions behind them. She publicly signed letters in favour of points put forward by some of those encountered on FWR, and she was always polite and respectful in discussions. But she was never a woman enough for some to not be offended by who she felt she was, and not trans enough for others to not be offended by what she felt was right. But she didn't get any thanks. Not here, and (as you say) not from the TRAs either.

EverardDigby

But what does "having a gender" entail? How do I know my gender? Because I reject a lot of the social constructs attributed to women. This is a genuine question, I am honestly puzzled.

That can be a very difficult thing to quantity. Very few people are black and white in terms of gender identity.

For me my gender identity is about the people I relate to, the way I relate to these people, my emotional responses, the way I think about things, my hobbies and interests...... by themselves no necessarily much but put together they are significant. What it absolutely isnt is any form of sexual motivation!

I have school reports from pre school that refer to my awkwardness around boys and the fact I was much more comfortable around girls. At playtime I was skipping with the girls rather than playing with the boys. Hundreds of little things like that.

wrexham

I wonder how much of that is personality, and that the issue is that particular traits “belong” to “Male” or “Female”?

Weetabix, my post was an attempt to explain the reasons why @ing is not overly popular with a number of posters on FWR. It was meant helpfully as you seemed to think it was something done to exclude.

Ive told TRAs my thoughts. Suffice to say that if your view disagrees with their agenda they dont want to know...that includes the fact that I am transsexual myself!

There you go, same as on here then with extreme feminism lol.
WhatRatRolyPoly said too - why would I know any TRA's? Yes, I'd say it to them too if I saw the posts.

I wonder how much of that is personality, and that the issue is that particular traits “belong” to “Male” or “Female”?

Thats one of the problems is that its very hard to quantity. Social constructs move in their definition.

Its everything though about me right from the start. Individual things you can of course say is personality but when its every aspect of your life ? Interestingly medical tests found I was exposed to very high levels of Oestrogen before I was born.

RatRolyPoly
I was curious as to whether Verbeena (or you or Weetabix or the others who are critical of the way it is discussed on mumsnet) have tried to talk about it with TRAs. I don't think it's an unnatural thing that if you are concerned about self-id that you would want to talk to those who are arguing for it. I'm not saying you need to or should do. My intention wasn't "You can't criticise mumsnet unless you also criticise the TRAs", though I can see why you might think that's what I was meaning.