To think mumsnet is full of hate crime?

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The whole active thread list is always taken up by tons of trans bashing threads. How is it acceptable? Anything relating to anyone transgender is bashed. If this was against another minority of people, race, sexuality, religion it would be taken down and reported as hate crime. I don’t understand how the feminism board makes it acceptable?

I’m sorry, thread diversion, did you say Ian Huntley now wants to be known as “Nicola”?! As in the same name as one of his murder victim’s mother?! That’s disgusting 🤬🤬🤬

According to the tabloid press. So treat with some caution.

Well, fingers on the buzzers because someone else just referred to Ian Huntley as “he”.

If you are referring to me, I stand by my comment. Ian Huntley lost all rights when he committed the awful crimes he did. Scum like that do not deserve my respect.

• 'lost all rights in my eyes' that should say.

I know he still has human rights... unfortunately

The use of pronouns is considered on a case by case basis by the mods, though in general they don't like misgendering. I don't think they would delete posts using 'he' to describe White and Huntley, though I think they would for India. Seems sensible to me.

I don't think using 'they' is as dehumanising as Verbeena makes out. Some people are happy putting aside the cognitive dissonance and being nice by using preferred pronouns, others feel that it is being forced upon them in the same way that TWAW is being pushed and don't accept it. It is a convenient thing to criticise GC people for though. All helps to avoid actually discussing the issues.

When you cant/won’t answer a question, its called ‘thread diversion’ or ‘irrelevent’, when we won’t repsond to your ‘what is a woman’ or similar repetition, it’s called not having the answer.

I think there’s a word for people who have strong ideas and think anyone who holds a different view is wrong, I asked you all to define it earlier but you sadly ignored me.

By the way I reported perverseconverse post earlier which referred to a transwoman as "he"

Same, I did too @Weetabixandshreddies
Hopefully might do something about it if there's multiple reports.

India willoughby is biologically male abs therefore, as far as I'm concerned, a he. Maybe look up the definition of "he" which is "male"

Do you get a buzz from doing it? Typing one less letter on your keyboard just to invalidate someone?

PerverseConverse, I think you need to read [https://www.mumsnet.com/info/trans-rights-moderation-policy the mumsnet policy]]. You will be deleted and if you carry on you will be blocked.

@Perfectly1imperfect, actually no, I wasn’t. Scroll back.

However, if one poster is self-admittedly (sic) reporting other posters for referring to transwomen by the “wrong” personal pronouns, then that should be another two in the naughty corner.

I understand your PoV, but I think either a transwoman IS a woman, or they’re not. Having your gender identity recognised and respected shouldn’t be some kind of reward for being a good human being.

I could go out and commit a heinous crime tomorrow, but nobody would deny that I am a woman or refuse to refer to me as “she”.

Ooops, clicky link fail.

Ah, the silence of the women who dare to speak the truth 🙄

MNHQ have previously said they won't be deleting posts where Ian Huntley is referred to as 'he'

What? Are we not allowed to tag people with @? Is this a new rule? (Genuine question).

Go on to the feminist boards and ask that question.

Apparently the answer is no, you should not do this. In fact, how very dare you do this blah blah blah.

Or that's what got shouted at me when I @tted someone.

Sickening, EarlyWalker, isn't it. Think the AIBU question well and truly being answered now.

Can we @ people now?
How long has that been a thing?

Go on to the feminist boards and ask that question. Apparently the answer is no, you should not do this. In fact, how very dare you do this blah blah blah.Or that's what got shouted at me when I @tted someone.
Yes! I was a bit when I first got that. As in an eh? Since when?
Seems to be the new thing. Got it from one certain prevalent poster, and then again a couple of times from others which shows it isn't a one off.
It's apparently in your face and shouting at them.
Also known as "don't @ me. It's rude." Erm....
It's a thing on all the boards, but you're not "allowed" to do it with an opposing view on the feminist board for some reason.

You mean, you've found one objectionable person, Verbeena? I'm pretty sure you've been very clear about how we shouldn't be condemning whole groups on the behaviour of individual people.

Sorry, just seen this.I have repeatedly on theses threads said what it means, to me, to be a woman.

I know. Unfortunately what it means to you to be a woman is not answering the question of what the definition of a woman is. And that definition is pretty important when talking about who is or isn't a woman isn't it?

Now you're just being paranoid. People complain about being @tted all over the boards.

I could go out and commit a heinous crime tomorrow, but nobody would deny that I am a woman or refuse to refer to me as “she”.

But you would have been a 'she' before you committed the crime. My point is that I won't acknowledge anyone's 'rights' or wants or anything after they have committed that crime. If Ian Huntley had lived as a 'she' at the time of committing the crime I would refer to him as a 'she'. I would still think the person in question was a piece of shit who deserves to die though.

Most people on the feminist boards tell you off if @ them. As Verbeena says, they tell you that it is rude, obtrusive etc.

Actually, I think it's just their way of trying to shut you up and show that you aren't welcome there but you know, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Now you're just being paranoid. People complain about being @tted all over the boards

Lol, just try it. You'll see.
I'm on here quite a bit but have never seen it happen on any other boards.
You get the pile on - one will say "don't do that" another will come on to say "yeah, it's rude. Stop shouting at women."
Even if it has happened on other boards, you don't get multiple people unrelated to the @ telling you off for doing it.

This is what makes me furious. I have my entire life stuck up for people who are disadvantaged. I’ve bern a feminist, helped homeless people, women suffering domestic violence represented abused children in my work. I’ve marched for gay rights in the 80s before it was remotely ‘acceptable’ by the mainstream, challenged racism wherever Ive come across it and supported trans rights by respecting their wish to be treated as the opposite sex to that born in.
BUT

I will not say that black is white for reasons of ideology.
And. If I am in my gym changing, I do NOT want to see a male body next to me. It would SCARE me. They might say they identify as a woman but how do I know they’re not a predator, and even if they are not, I would feel vulnerable and unsafe in a woman only space with a man’s body, penis, testicles etc. If I was a rape victim, or a victim of DV, these feelings would be real fear.

So, just tell me, is that unreasonable or transphobic to feel like that. Is it OP?

I will refer to Ian Huntley as he.

Ian Huntley lost any rights by his own vile actions. He also repeatedly and consistently showed himself to be a liar and a manipulator.

I will more than happily refer to Ian Huntley as she when I see evidence that says this is not an attempt to get more favourable treatment by the prison service and they are genuinely pursuing gender reassignment. I am not going to indulge such actions.

Until then Ian Huntley is a he.