...to think that if Comic Relief are going to do a "Woman Wednesday" blog about "inspirational female figures", it should have an inspirational female figure in it?

[ArcheryAnnie]

Comic Relief are doing a new weekly blog, about inspirational women.

"Women Wednesday’s is our new weekly column for Gender Justice month here at Comic Relief, where we will be giving the spotlight to one inspirational female figure per week. We focus on women who have created change and spearheaded movements for other women, and stood up against discrimination against gender and sexuality."

Fantastic, right? They've got links to all kinds of amazing women, working in very challenging conditions across the world, who are helping to create a better world for everyone, not just themselves. What a brilliant blog theme! What brilliant, inspirational woman are we all going to learn about today, I wonder?

Well. Here's who they picked as their "inspirational female figure": www.comicrelief.com/news/women-wednesdays-heres-why-lili-elbe-our-inspirational-figure-week

Women deserve better, Comic Relief. You've really screwed up on this one.

Oh god candidpeel, then I hope to see some transmen feature in man of the week, if they have one then! They are just sprouting a mouth piece for the TRAS and the government.

Equality for all is, frankly, a shit goal for anyone!

Thanks for your input. 🙄

Equity is a far better outcome

My first reaction on reading about it was shock that any reputable surgeon would attempt to perform a womb transplant in 1931, with no antibiotics or anti-rejection drugs. What did he think the outcome would be?

Well he became a nazi and did all sorts for them including involuntary sterilizations, so I'm not sure 'reputable' is the term to use.

'Medical ethics' tragically wasn't a thing back then (and in fact pushback against the Nazi medical attrocities are why we have such strong medical ethics now).

Thanks for your input. 🙄

Why the snotty eye roll? It makes perfect sense alongside the box meme, doesn't it?

we need people who are inspirational for a variety of reasons
NOOOOO!
NOT PEOPLE!!!
The whole point of this was for inspriational WOMEN.
NOT PEOPLE!
WOMEN!
There are literally thousands and thousands they could have highlighted!

Is it true that a transman can still not inherit a hereditary title?

Perfectly1mperfect - I believe in equality for all.

But how do we achieve equality for all if we can not a) discuss and name the reasons some people are more disadvantaged than others, and b) provide a structure that allows those people to overcome the obstacles that inequality places imposes on them?

Treating a person who was born male as an example of an inspirational woman makes a mockery of any attempt to promote the voices and interests of women. If the battle for the rights of women had been won, globally, it might be an irrelevance, but we still live in a world in which women are routinely oppressed and impoverished because of their biology, which makes it really offensive.

That’s not surprising at all candidpeel. CR made a deliberate choice to use a transwoman as their inspirational “woman”. This was them firmly nailing their colours to the mast. I find it very aggressive TBH.

Equality for all is, frankly, a shit goal for anyone!

It definitely isn't, it's exactly the same thing as "liberation from oppression".

Seeing as oppression is defined as "a situation in which people are governed in an unfair and cruel way and prevented from having opportunities and freedom". Liberating people from unequal treatment, from having unequal opportunities, from having unequal freedoms in comparison to others is, er, fighting for their equality.

That meme seems think people who wants equality want to give everyone the same material things - i.e. the same sized boxes. But we're not talking about material things, we're talking about opportunities, respect, access to the benefits and rewards of society... we're talking about equal ability to see over the fence. Which is the second picture in your meme. We're talking about the same thing.

Is it true that a transman can still not inherit a hereditary title?

Yes, self ID does not apply to the right of primogeniture. Which brings me back to my earlier point that no matter what you wear, what you call yourself, or how you feel on the inside, the patriachal power imbalance all boils down to whether you were born with a penis or not.

Well he became a nazi and did all sorts for them including involuntary sterilizations

That’s interesting. When I first read this I thought it reminded me of the nazis performing their horrific experiments on prisoners.

Why the snotty eye roll?

If you have a problem with someone giving you an eye roll, maybe don't go around telling people that their goals are shit. How about this. 💩

Anyway, I'm off. Thanks to all those who have had a polite discussion.

If we to accept that she is a woman then how is she inspirational.A lot of us have needed ops to fix our female anatomy, she's no different so not aspirational.
She was well off ,white and had an accepting background.How is that aspirational.?
What about her should we exactly aspire to?

Equality for all is, frankly, a shit goal for anyone!

It definitely isn't, it's exactly the same thing as "liberation from oppression".

No, coz if everyone were equally oppressed we'd have equality for all. Just not 'good' equality.

If you have a problem with someone giving you an eye roll, maybe don't go around telling people that their goals are shit.

You've spectacularly misunderstood the point that poster was making (which wasn't me, incidentally) about the difference between equality and equity. Go back and have a look at the meme again; it makes a legitimate point, and expresses it well. Or can you not see what it saying?

No, coz if everyone were equally oppressed we'd have equality for all. Just not 'good' equality.

If everybody were equally oppressed there would be no oppressors, so.... nobody would be oppressed.

Everything would just be shit and we'd all go around being really horrible to each other.

A man taking a place meant for women is the opposite of equality.

Oh dear Comic Relief, you have massively underestimated the readership of Mumsnet...

Also, I think you may be surprised by who your main donors are. I'll give you a clue, it's not the blue-haired students that you're obediently listening to.

Go back and have a look at the meme again; it makes a legitimate point, and expresses it well. Or can you not see what it saying?

Sorry, but it really doesn't. That meme assumes people who use the word "equality" want everyone to have the same material things. Honestly, we're not that dense. We want everyone to have equal opportunity, equal respect, equal treatment in the law, equal freedom of expression etc. We want everyone to have equal opportunity to see over the fence. Very few people are as dense as that meme presupposes. No-one thinks women should have urinals in the name of equality

The woman part of woman's Wednesday applies to the person they chose to highlight. She was a woman, in my opinion, as she identified as one. She may inspire men or women.

The CR website itself says the point of WW is to "focus on women who have created change and spearheaded movements for other women"

How has this person done any of that exactly?
You are the one making up motives for what WW is.

Their story is as inspirational as the poor woman who had enormous breast implants, constant plastic surgery and essentially died from trying to get the body she wanted. I think it was Lola , I can't remember her second name, but maybe CR will remind me... that's what young girls should be aiming for, right? No... just young boys??! How messed up in so many ways.

You've spectacularly misunderstood the point that poster was making (which wasn't me, incidentally) about the difference between equality and equity. Go back and have a look at the meme again; it makes a legitimate point, and expresses it well. Or can you not see what it saying?

I understood the meme perfectly thanks. I think RatRolyPoly post above sums up my thoughts on it.

I really am off now !

If everybody were equally oppressed there would be no oppressors, so.... nobody would be oppressed.

True.

Also, where did the uterus come from?