To think that no employer is sticking a chip in me

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www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/nov/11/alarm-over-talks-to-implant-uk-employees-with-microchips?CMP=fb_gu

Is it just me or is this totally bizarre? The huge company considering this in the UK is reportedly Amazon.

Jaxhog do you also think that neutering cats , who have no choice, is the same as neutering people? What about catching them and putting them in a cage to take them to the vet for their own goid but against their will? Ok for cats not people or exactly the same for cats and people?

I think it's different for pets because pets are are owned, human beings aren't, or shouldn't be, owned. We are employees, not stock (though our HR manager seems not to know the difference).

I can think of lots of issues with this - what if you want to change job frequently, who is responsible for the medical issues that might arise (allergy, infection etc...), who watches or legislates the watchers?

There is always fear & panic around new technologies. Driverless cars will be with us in the very near future about which there is a lot of alarm & suspicion - it's the equivalent of people pointing at aeroplanes a century ago and saying, "You'll never get me up in one of those"

What happens if you refuse to be chipped? It says it can be linked to cars banks and medical records so how is my data protected. What happens if there is a breech.

Will in time our houses have the same tech. So one chip for car gym work house? How do we ensure it’s not misused.

Can you imagine an employer being able to track when you get in your car/get to gym/ get home etc.

No. It feels far too invasive. Least I can turn off my phone! Or leave it indoors.

Seriously. You only have to consider the option of private browsing to see that being tracked is a thing to be avoided.

I'm more and more opting for cash to pay for goods where I can.

Hesta that's very clever! Indoor tracking is pretty hard to do I think, the building must have been rigged up massively with sensors.

No way are you getting a chip in me, doctors struggle to get a small needle in me for the health of my baby and me. Massive fucking needle for a chip I don't need, nah I'm aright.

The ethical issue would be making it compulsory. Having a device implanted into your body is an invasive medical procedure. I can't imagine it's legal for an employer to require their employees to undergo any medical procedure.

I think we’ll be doing this to children before we know it. In twenty years time it will be the norm and no one will at an eyelid.

With a handy iPhone app that tracks the child. Scary thought really.

Indoor tracking is pretty hard to do I think, the building must have been rigged up massively with sensors.

I want to know what they do in that building that they would spend so much money to know exactly where every employee is at every moment!!

Sounds like it had come straight from Person of Interest or 1984...Surely it contravenes some human rights law?

I think the connection to the microchipping of pets will put people off
who wants to be a pet for the plutocrats!

If you wear a chip then it would be possible to have a scanner that reads people's chips as they goes by

It's not about new technology, it's about my right to exist as a person with my own free will and privacy. Whoever said their human rights start at the boundary of their body has it.

They could easily stick a chip TO you so it didn't come off and you could remove it yourself whenever you wanted. You can't remove an implant without medical help. What they COULD do with the knowledge the technology allows is pretty limitless and no laws about it exist as far as I'm aware because the technology is new.

It should definitely be illegal to require a medical procedure for a job.

Amazon already treats their staff like shite. They are heavily targeted and don't have time to drink, sit down or go to the toilet during shifts. This will he used to dehumanise them further.

This is what happens when individuals harness new technologies; they're used for profit and greed and never the common good.

I mean, we could use some amazing tech to help us solve climate change, but instead we'll just force minimum wage workers to pack an item into a box every 10 seconds instead of 12.

There is always fear & panic around new technologies. Driverless cars will be with us in the very near future about which there is a lot of alarm & suspicion - it's the equivalent of people pointing at aeroplanes a century ago and saying, "You'll never get me up in one of those"

That may be so but i for one am not happy about driverless cars, I live I Cumbria and I read that we are a pilot area for testing, as there are already a huge amount of accidents on our counties roads it fills me with dread.

As for implants, I would not voluntarily have one. I read the article stating that a few companies are using them voluntarily but when does it become compulsory - as in, if you don't agree to be implanted we won't employ you. Especially if Amazon is the company looking into them, we have already read of their shady employment practices, alongside those of Mike Ashley at Sports Direct.

And as a PP mentioned above with the fingerprint tech, if the systems fail does that mean people don't get paid or are sanctioned.

I’m a RN in the states and I’ve been wearing tracking devices in my job for years so I can be contacted if another patient needs me,etc. but I was under no illusion and could see the data being used for more than communication and I was right-earlier this year my employer was using time spent in rooms as “direct care” and would email our percentages over a 12-hour shift if it was below a mandated percentage in our annual performance evaluation. I joked they would start microchipping us eventually! I would leave any employer if they suggested that extreme measure.

I know someone that has one of these for work and they love it. Not in the UK, mind.

I wonder what will happen in 20 years when huge amounts of jobs will have be automated? Will we have to be chipped to receive our universal benefit money and rations?

I already worry about the day when your purchase information from your bank is used by the NHS to justify who gets treatment and who doesn't. I buy a lot of wine on my bank card. Who's to say that one day this information won't be used when deciding who is 'most deserving' for organ transplants?

If you wear a chip then it would be possible to have a scanner that reads people's chips as they goes by

Wow, you'd be able to read their ID number. Nothing else of interest. Like ID cards that people are so against, the actual data isn't held on the chip - the chip just gives the basic ID information. You'd need proper ID permissions of whichever system you wanted to access to actually read any real data about the person. Ie if you're a policemen, you already have access to their databases, - using the chip is simply akin to manually entering someone's name and dob.

Yes sensors everywhere, nothing very secret happens there, just very big in time and motion and getting their money’s worth out of their employees, as you can imagine very high turnover of staff, I think employees used to take the piss, so they have gone from one extreme to another, American based company

Wear a microchip? Would I FUCK. Quite literally wearing your life on your sleeve. I'm not convinced they are safe and I am concerned that this could be used to track me/hold info I wouldn't necessarily want on it.

Bloody hell, no!

Staff at my place kicked off enough when we got a personal safety doodah that, when switched on, enables managers to see where you are. This could be a problem if managers ever had the time to check up for the sake of it, but they don't. And the staff that kicked off were almost all the ones that you spot doing their shopping or the school run when they should be with clients.

By tracking someone's movements constantly we are little more than sheep. Our every movement monitored. Freedom in any aspect is over.
I'm sure this has been part of a huge ideology planned for a very long time. It's been slowly drip fed as smart technology and seen as the next got to have gadget.