Sue Radford, baby 21 is here..

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21 babies! That's some achievement. I cannot believe her body is still in one piece. I feel sorry for those kids though. There's absolutely no way they can all have the individual attention they need growing up. Four kids maybe, perhaps 6 at an absolute push but 21 seems like collecting trophies for a hobby to me. It'd be interesting to see what families those children decide to have when the time comes. It seems like she's putting her own want for babies ahead of her existing children's wellbeing & that isn't healthy. I'm curious that she's practically guaranteed herself an endless supply of babies as her children have children. But they're supposedly paying for everything themselves so we're not allowed to say anything against them. I don't agree with it. Tell me I'm being U.

They certainly don't do homework or reading with the children

While some may call doing this stuff with your kids being over-involved and placing too “high a value on education” personally I feel its omission is indicative of shit parenting. But each to their own and all that.

I watched the House Tour too, will Sue earn money from the amount of views she gets?

I also can't believe they would think it was a good idea to replace a full kitchen weeks before a new baby is due....I would have been stressed 100% and thats only with 3 DC's to feed. God knows how hard it must have been will all her brood.

While some may call doing this stuff with your kids being over-involved and placing too “high a value on education” personally I feel its omission is indicative of shit parenting. But each to their own and all that

Yet there's time to spend on social media removing comments and making news reveal videos .

Priorities huh....

She/they have an addiction to having babies. It’s really sad that rather than being helped to deal with it, the compulsion is being rewarded with publicity, notoriety and financial gain. It’s also being made to seem acceptable by those who think it’s every woman’s right to have as many babies as they choose to. It’s like saying it’s every adults right to drink alcohol. Unless you are an alcoholic.

It just seems very wrong and sad.

I don't think people would be horrified at what is a regular family.

I'm.sure plenty would recoil in horror at my life. But we do the best we can.

The horror cones from what everyone knows is the impossibility of those two parents having time to meet basic needs of children. Children they chose to have.

If needs are met they whatever way they go about then is usually neither here nor there.

But these people have openly neglected their children on tv. And people seem to accept that in the basis of a lack.of benefits as being some amazing achievement.

So amazing your own kids don't think their parents would notice if they weren't there.

So amazing the kids don't want any more kids in the house but they go ahead anyway.

So amazing they took door handles off the door so they didn't have to deal with bed times.

So.amazing they don't even get to school on time. Ironic how on MN if you don't send your kid in to school with their head hanging off you are teaching them.school doesn't matter but let's ignore the permanent lateness here....

So amazing the girls are parenting the kids and the boys get to muck about. On camera.

No time to do homework but she bragged about all the ironing she did and sits on social media half the day to make sure no negative comments are left up.

That's why people are horrified . If it was just about a difference in life style it wouldn't matter.

But it's open and blatant neglect

I'm not bothered about overpopulation or the threat to the environment, to be honest. Our population isn't currently replacing itself, and we're reliant on immigration to keep the workforce up.

What does bother me is all the hypocrisy around claiming that they're not getting any benefits, and the issues around their inability to give their children anything approaching adequate attention. As for all the people on here virtuously claiming it's none of our business - they have blatantly made it our business by all the publicity they very deliberately generate.

unlimiteddilutingjuice I think you have nailed something important. The MC (and I’m a member of the tribe) believe certain things help you get on in life. When people who openly “subvert” those beliefs and achieve their own brand of success it challenges the formula that children need to do well at school and augment exam success with extra-curricular activities, to get into a good uni, to get a good job, to raise the next generation in the same mould.

For me, I’m still concerned and sad that Sue didn’t have the chance to be an independent adult before coming to this, and as someone who was also adopted in the 1970’s I can understand why she made the choices that she did. (I use choices advisedly). I can also imagine that each subsequent child adds another layer of reinforcement for her.

I’m also worried that any further pregnancies could have a tragic outcome.

“So amazing the kids don't want any more kids in the house but they go ahead anyway.

So amazing they took door handles off the door so they didn't have to deal with bed times.”

Door handles are just so middle class though, aren’t they? It’s just such invested middle-class parenting to think that one’s children should be able to access their parents in the night if sick or scared or to visit the toilet or to get a drink of water.

One has staffolder kids who could have their own room but sleep in dorms probably for that reason for that

Good job Mn thinks one bath a week is sufficient.

We run out of hot water after couple of maths and sone washing up. God knows how they do it.

Trumps to their fertility, though! Insane.

@zzzzz
To be honest (and I’m not interested in discuss anyone’s genitalia unless they want to) I’ve had a lot of pregnancies and deliveries and there is a massive impact on that area. I’m not offended by people openly sympathising or speculating as whilst it’s personal, it’s valid. Of course there are side effects from 21 deliveries, it’s not mother-shaming in the slightest. All Dad had to do was have sex, the mother has pushed 21 babies out of her vagina. Facts are facts. I’ve been entitled to surgery since baby number 3.
Many comments are not shaming they come from experience of delivering 1,2,3,4 babies and people’s own experiences.
With regard to large families, I do have one and it is very hard to juggle cooking dinner, clubs, homework, reading, spellings, daily bath with only 3-4 hours after school. I don’t believe this can actually be achieved with this number. And yes I’m these days whether we agree or not it does impact on the pupil. One school my child was at the children got stars for how many times a week they read, and the whole class got rewards based on this. Another school with the older years specified that homework was not compulsory but every child who did it was rewarded.
At one point I was very unwell for 4 months, these things were first to slide and the main priority was kids fed, clean and clean clothes. Homework and reading took a back seat. Even with illness my children were made to feel like their parents just didn’t bother.
I’m sure the kids are loved. They will definitely be missing out on some ways.

falling I agree.

I have 2 and it's often relentless.

One of the episodes a few months back they went on a date night without the children and seemed to honestly have nothing to say to eachother outside of talking about the kids.

I've only been through 2 maternity leaves but I'm.not going to lie about how the reconnection with the outside world takes a long time. When your partners at work all day and your only company is a child it's bloody hard. You view the relationship so differently, you are almost resentful at times because they get to speak to adults all day and the only person you get tonsee is the Tesco delivery driver.

If I had to go through that 20 times. O don't think I'd even be talking to my dp let alone connecting enough to have a sexual relationship.

Somethings off.

Door handles are just so middle class though, aren’t they?

snort.

If having only two children so that I can you know, supervise them and help them with homework and so forth, is terrifically middle-class then so be it.

Regarding not needing a bus till you get past 7, that’s not true either. Most people carriers are 7 seaters, so that’s 6 passengers and the driver. Therefore anyone stepping in would struggle to manage school runs and the like (they seem to use a bus for this)
My other guilt is things like swimming, which most children do. So kids are aware of they don’t. I’ve done my best but with an autistic child it was simply not possible with some of my older kids to physically manage to attend and get them changed etc. These days whether we agree it’s necessary or not, so many kids do get basic attention, activity, options. So those that don’t are aware. I don’t think you need 4/5 activities each, but the option to explore a passion should be there, whether that’s gym, drama or visiting the library. It doesn’t have to cost a fortune but time is involved.

Wtf is this door handles reference?

They removed the door handles from one of the rooms to stop the poor tots from escaping during the night.

😱 tries not to judge. That’s not acceptable parenting.

What kind of fool would choose to be pregnant for 16 whole years of her life?!?!?!

(Still in first trimester hell here, so probably biased :) )

@zzzzz I know there are larger people carriers, of course. They are rarer and for a 9 seater you need different insurance (I’ve had 2) although sometimes an 8 seater goes on standard (had one of those as well) but they are very expensive and the likelihood of someone having one so that they can step in to look after the kids, just like anyone else, is ridiculous.

If not helping with homework and reading is neglectful then I was a neglected child, so was my son. Both of us could read before we started school and homework seems a bit pointless if the parents do it.

Anyone would think these people were sending their kids up chimneys. They don't fit the 21st century " our little family" norm so must be neglectful, bad parents. I reckon living in a family based on a solid marriage that's endured for nearly three decades is something a lot of kids would be pretty envious of.

I was dis using your point that in the event of illness etc they would cope like anyone else or someone with a disabled child, but that’s not true. Of course her mum may not work and drive a 16 seater and you’re right.

@bluelady no one is saying not doing homework and reading is neglectful, it’s discussing around expectation with kids these days, which their kids will be aware off.
I’d probably agree that no door handles may count as neglectful.