Sue Radford, baby 21 is here..

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Daily Fail story here
21 babies! That's some achievement. I cannot believe her body is still in one piece. I feel sorry for those kids though. There's absolutely no way they can all have the individual attention they need growing up. Four kids maybe, perhaps 6 at an absolute push but 21 seems like collecting trophies for a hobby to me. It'd be interesting to see what families those children decide to have when the time comes. It seems like she's putting her own want for babies ahead of her existing children's wellbeing & that isn't healthy. I'm curious that she's practically guaranteed herself an endless supply of babies as her children have children. But they're supposedly paying for everything themselves so we're not allowed to say anything against them. I don't agree with it. Tell me I'm being U.

EmmaGeddon, I agree. The very first post, about Sue Radford having 'a uterus of tissue paper'. The poster had HEARD this. Vile.

I think that what some posters would like is for The Radfords (particularly Sue) to breakdown, throw themselves on the mercy of the public, admit they were wrong, yada yada. That would make many posters here very happy, I think, they could feel VALIDATED in their superior choices and parenting.

It doesn't matter that these two parents would have suffered, they were WRONG to make these choices!

There are lots of people who have children who perhaps really shouldn't. Everybody does what they want and having children (I have 2) is inherently selfish. We still do what we want.

21 children is a small class and ask any teacher how hard it is to give one on one attention.
In old days people had a lot of children because of no contraception and early marriage. Also a lot didn't even survive till their 5th birthday due to childhood diseases etc.
Nowadays we can choose so I wonder what the compulsion is to have so many ?
Personally I hated being pregnant!

If they were all foster children people would think they were marvellous.

Yes. Surely you can grasp the difference.

But surely we all judge some how or another? We see a child smacked, we judge. We see a heavily pregnant woman smoking, we judge. We see someone who very obviously has issues, having a child every year until they've got 21, we judge.

Because what we see is fact. The pregnant woman smoking, that is not good for the baby. The child smacked, not good. 21 children in one family... how can we assume that they get the attention, love and nurture they need? We judge that too. I'm sorry I'm not in the 'fair play to them' camp.

I don't want Sue to break down. I would like her to stop it would've been better 12 children ago. I also would like to think some of these children in the future break away and make awesome lives for themselves. I also would like to think none of them will be affected by coming from such an astronomically large family, I doubt that will be the case though.

@LyingWitchInTheWardrobe I’m obviously a bit thick but I genuinely have no idea what is offensive about a uterus of paper. I’ve had lots of babies and there definitely is a impact on the womb/cervix/vagina/bladder and bowel and to pretend there isn’t is ridiculous.
I don’t think anyone wants Sue to have a breakdown and she’s not ‘wrong’ but I think she probably does need some support for herself and recognition of the sexual abuse she suffered as a child and loss of childhood. They should not be held up as an inspirational family.
I have at the forefront of my mind daily, the juggling of all the young people who depend on me and am wellaware that the ability to manage them is questioned everytime there’s an issue with a child (it’s hard being judged so I empathise with them) but it’s valid with children and it’s my job to prove they have the time and what they need. The Radfords should expect this too.
I very much imagine the children’s teachers have a very different picture of these children’s lives than is presented in a program on the tv.

What does anybody achieve by judging, Rousette? I saw your earlier posts on the thread.

Judging is just a sop for ourselves, isn't it? It achieves nothing other than make ourselves puff our chests out, feel better in ourselves that we've got it right and they haven't... and then we immediately run off to find a tribe that agrees with us so that we can feel good about ourselves all over again.

Of course, once that's worn off, we look at our tribe that made us feel all warm and fuzzy in our vindication and we realise that actually, we're a bit better than them... so the cycle starts again.

Monkeys do it better.

That's awful really, the children must never ask for anything, I find two overwhelming at times (although as a single parent, and working). I have two children to one parent. They have 10.5 to one parent. That is ridiculous.

There's nothing to admire about someone who was pregnant at 14 and sprogs off compulsively. As for the 21 taxpayers argument, give me a break! They're kids are hardly highly-educated professionals. Can't believe anyone would admire this type of thing. It's so . . . trashy.

Fallingout If you're talking about your own, not a thing.

This isn't a thread of concern. Comment about another woman's sexual organs isn't right. I'm only surprised that nobody's been on to suggest that she 'keeps her legs shut'.

We achieve nothing. But it's human nature, like it or not. I don't feel I'm better than anyone. I just feel sorry for some of those kids.

They run their own business. Pay for their children themselves etc so mind your business tbh.

Their, sorry.

zzzz I don't think SS would allow any couple to foster 20 kids. At one stage 2 of the bedrooms had 6 children each in them. There are 3 bathrooms in the house, one of which is allocated for the children, which Sue said in the house tour vlog. I'm quite sure (than kfully!) that the standard for fostering is significantly higher. FWIW I don't think their setup is ideal in nurturing a child into young adulthood to achieve the highest possible outcome, but there are lots of 2 dc families where you can say the same. From a parental/child social perspective I am fascinated by them.

Just watched a vlog of another large family (only 9 dc) where one of the teens has had to move out and live with his father as he can't cope in a house with so many people. The mum is expecting baby #10.

@LyingWitchInTheWardrobe but what is the relevance of saying her womb must be thin. Every baby is a risk. After 5 pregnancies risk increases hugely. It’s known fact.

regardless of underage sex (because many children do that)

She was 13 years old when the first was conceived. Not even ‘nearly 14’, their first child was born about 8 weeks after she turned 14. Noel was 18 years old when she conceived, 19 years old when he was born. There is a five year age gap between them. One of them was legally an adult. It wasn’t ‘kids having underage sex’.

They run their own business. Pay for their children themselves etc so mind your business tbh.

Oh, yeah, that bakery was definitely coining it for all the years before they got a few grubby shows on trash telly and Daily Fail articles. I'm sure they never took a penny in child benefit or child tax credits or working tax credits .

The magic pie shop !

Stating that someone's uterus is paper thin is not vile, it's fact that the more you have the thinner and more paperlike it can become. I know, mine ruptured and I had a pph. You can all chat away about it for all I care, it's fact, it's happened. I promise I won't think it's vile if you all set up a thread discussing my missing uterus and what caused it.

Yet despite the very questionable stuff around their ages, it is spun as a romantic ‘childhood sweethearts’ type story. Bullshit.

Basically here is a woman, abused as a child, constantly reproducing at great risk to herself and therefore her whole family. How would the business cope if something happened to her?
Her daughter last time spoke of her fears of her mum having the baby and surviving and being ok, now she’s gone through that again.
If you allow your children to be filmed and talk about how they feel it will be discussed.
Personally I don’t understand why they allow their children to be filmed saying negative things about all the babies! It seems odd.

Yep, she was a victim of CSE and the public celebrate it as a romantic story. Tragic.

@DonDrapersOldFashioned not that I’m arguing with your point but technically (although my maths isn’t strong) his birthday is 24th December 1970 so I think he was 17 and 18 at the birth?

Ah, apologies re that

I saw 1970, hadn’t realised it was the tail end. Apologies all