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To think the men who put the Grenfell tower model on the bonfire should not be arrested

113 replies

Leobynature · 06/11/2018 19:04

I don’t wish to upset or offend anyone with this post.

I am a non-white woman. I am upset and disgusted by the men who were filmed putting a model of Grenfel tower on the bonfire. What’s more upsetting is the fact that model depicted images of black children being burried alive.

However this act had taken place in the privacy of their own homes so I am wondering whether it is in the public’s interest to arrest and charge these men. I’m personally more concerned that our privacy is no longer respected and we could be held account for moral acts we do in our own homes. How many of us make prejudice, racist or other comments in ‘the safety’ of our homes. Is this more of a social concern than a legal one.

Or is it the uploading of the image which makes it subjectable to a public order offence.

I would rather see the man power, resources and money being used here used somewhere else.

What does everyone else think?

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SmiledWithTheRisingSun · 06/11/2018 21:45

Never mind the ignorant tears who made the video - I think the people who were responsible for the building regulations being illegal at Grenfell Tower should be arrested! Angry

SmiledWithTheRisingSun · 06/11/2018 21:46

(Twats. Not tears 🙄 bloody phone! )

HelenaDove · 06/11/2018 21:47

The same Daily Mail who did a hatchet piece on Joe Delaney That Daily Mail.

The right wing press attitude towards the Grenfell residents likely helped these cretins to feel what they were doing were justified.

So certain sections of the press arent innocent parties.

They are hypocrites.

Olivetree615 · 06/11/2018 21:47

I’ve been following this thread and completely agree with how awful this act was.
My one question is how is this different from, say, an episode of ‘Family Guy’ making distasteful jokes on 9/11 or the Boston bombing- surely this is just as painful for the victims families to see? Should that not be treated the same if it is ‘trolling the families’ or is there a big glaring difference I’m missing?

HelenaDove · 06/11/2018 21:51

@SmiledwiththeRisingSun there is a lot of detail on the Grenfell thread on the news board.

I look forward to seeing you over there in the future!

howrudeforme · 06/11/2018 21:52

I think they handed themselves in as the clip identifies about 3 faces and only a matter of time before they were identified.

Stupid people - what got me was the care and effort that went into that model. Why not use their time for their own betterment (they need it) rather than this offensive shit.

MistressoftheYoniverse · 06/11/2018 21:53

I'm a nonwhite woman and I thought they were a load of racist wankstains and they should be arrested for being racist evil expletives... why is this still a thing?

MakeAHouseAHome · 06/11/2018 21:57

Olivetree, you are completely correct. There ia no difference.

PersonaNonGarter · 06/11/2018 21:58

These video people are obviously total twats.

However, the police need to prioritise twattery. Police: Please come to visit our neighbours burgled shed.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/11/2018 22:00

There is a difference between sick "jokes" in horrible taste, about 9/11 - which deserve shaming -
and people actually gloating over deaths and waggling around models of the victims

imo, gloating crosses the line into possible criminal conduct
but let's see if the CPS think they have broken the law

Of course, anyone guilty of criminal negligence, misconduct in public office, taking bribes etc which actually contributed to the Grenfell deaths deserves to go to jail for a long time
but if they are politicians, or make big political donations, then their mates will protect them from justice.

citiesofbismuth · 06/11/2018 22:02

There are plenty of sick trolls around, but putting video evidence online into the public domain crosses a line. It comes as a shock to people to find out that we share our communities with people like this and they shouldn't inflict themselves on others, particularly grieving families and others who were affected by the tragedy.

Tootyfilou · 06/11/2018 22:15

Absolutely notaflyingmonkey. By posting the sick video they put it into the public domain where it then becomes a hate crime.
The whole of Europe and the Americas are lurching to the Right. Surely it’s important that we take a stand against such abhorrent fascist behavior.

HelenaDove · 06/11/2018 22:24

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/06/grenfell-bonfire-video?CMP=share_btn_tw

"There can be no excuse for the cruelty that was shown in that now infamous Grenfell video. It’s disgusting and vile. Unfortunately, many survivors and bereaved families endured the pain of watching people mock the trauma we all suffered that night. There is enough pain – we don’t deserve this.

Now the anger and outrage I felt after watching it has subdued, my only emotion is sadness. Sadness that this is what a small minority of our society thinks is acceptable – not only to mock the dead but also our community in general.
Grenfell bonfire video: police search house as six men questioned
Read more

Some of the misperceptions in the video – the “That’s what happens when they don’t pay their rent” comment – and the tone are not new to us. I feel like we have been fighting the judgment in it since day one. Although we’d rather focus on justice and change, our fight is also about being treated with dignity.

There was so much misinformation in the early days after the fire and much of it was spread by the media. Unfortunately many of those early misperceptions have stuck and, without really looking for the truth, some members of the public believe what they read and hear. It is a narrative that we are still trying to correct.

It started with the numbers of people living in the tower being wildly exaggerated, and was followed by a focus on the “amnesty for illegal immigrants”. No one followed up to say that the amnesty wasn’t actually necessary. We are Londoners: many of us grew up here, many had lived in the tower since birth, others have made London their home through hard work.

This idea that we don’t pay our way is untrue. Many of the flats may have been social housing, but we still paid good rent to live there. We had to put up with these attitudes from the tenant management organisation and contractors before the fire – that we should just be grateful to be there. It seems like, in some pockets of society, that attitude still exists.

Just last week I got a call from the BBC asking how I felt as a Grenfell survivor about the introduction of universal credit in North Kensington. I asked them why they were calling me about it as I am not eligible for benefits because I work. Editors had just presumed they could put a Grenfell spin on a benefits story, without bothering to question themselves why. Of course, some people do claim benefits because they need them. It certainly doesn’t make them bad. It’s more the lazy assumption by the media that grates on us.

If you take time to watch bereaved family members paying tribute to their loved ones at the start of the inquiry or the survivors who are giving evidence at the moment, you hear of people who called their work in the middle of the fire to apologise for not being able to make it in. You hear from business owners, managers, student nurses, university students and at-home carers, and a community that kept an eye out for each other. We come from all religions and none. And it was thanks to many brave young Muslim men returning from prayers that night, who ran towards the danger, that many of us escaped and were offered shelter.

While the media wrote about how we were getting expensive homes after the fire, few reported that while we were still living in hotel rooms, we got on with our lives, going back to work, back to school and finishing university studies. We never wanted any of this to happen to us. Grenfell Tower was home; North Kensington was our community. Every single survivor, bereaved family and the community would give anything to change what they went through that night.

We talk a lot about change coming from Grenfell. One change I hope will come as our story unfolds is that people will get to see the community that we are. We’re typical Londoners, looking after our families and trying to get by. It’s important because we know that other communities are fighting the same battles we are, to be treated with dignity and respect. If we are to stop another Grenfell happening again and other communities being victimised in the way we have, these attitudes and misperceptions must be challenged.

Regardless of the colour of someone’s skin or religious beliefs, no one deserved to die that night and no one has the right to make light of something so tragic. We must work to eradicate such hatred in our society."

•Natasha Elcock is a survivor of the Grenfell Tower fire and chair of Grenfell United, the survivors and bereaved families group

Flyaway78 · 07/11/2018 01:02

It’s a horrible snap shot of our society

I bet all those guys were wearing poppies....

WinehouseAmy · 07/11/2018 01:15

The men? There were equivalent condoning female voices

worridmum · 07/11/2018 01:33

What i am most annoyed about the woman in the film did not have the courage to come forward as well they all should have charges and why the hell have those 5 put themselves on the sword but not the 2 woman in the video.

araiwa · 07/11/2018 05:01

A total waste of time, money and effort

"
Imagine if Muslims made a model of the Manchester arena bombing, with models of the victims and filmed themselves gloating over it.
Still think "free speech" means they shouldn't be arrested ?"

Correct. They shouldnt be arrested either

Shockers · 07/11/2018 05:22

Implying that someone deserves to die because of their assumed lower status in society, or skin colour isn’t free speech; it’s hate speech.

JanetLovesJason · 07/11/2018 05:22

YABU. Causing public outrage is a criminal offence. They uploaded it online.

They deserve what’s coming to them.

longwayoff · 07/11/2018 06:29

Stop minimising this repellent action, everyone involved deserves everything they're going to get. Especially the 'teacher' partner as yet unidentified in press. How would you like him/her influencing your children? Repulsive, hideous people. Argue on about whether criminal or not, we need to know who these creatures are so they can be treated with the absolute contempt they deserve. They've earned it.

user1483972886 · 07/11/2018 06:33

They are undoubtedly stupid but I can't see its an offence and it shouldn't be reported in the press. It just gives the offenders notoriety.

Ghanagirl · 07/11/2018 06:42

Leobynature
What does everyone else think?
I think YABU and goady why did you state you’re nonwhite

BoreOfWhabylon · 07/11/2018 06:44

According to The Mail this morning, it was a bonfire night party among a group of friends with a competition for the 'best' effigy. Apparently this one was the winner.

A couple made it - the female is reported as being a teacher.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6360909/Removals-boss-teacher-partner-built-Grenfell-Tower-effigy-mocking-72-killed-win-contest.html

I hope she is sacked and never gets another teaching job.

Avegemitesandwich · 07/11/2018 06:57

Wow, these people are getting crucified in the media. Good.

Avegemitesandwich · 07/11/2018 06:59

That makes sense about the 'best effigy' competition actually, as I was really struggling with the context of why they had gone to such effort to make the tower.

Hilarious Hmm

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