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Guy who's unemployed...

124 replies

Mellodrama · 06/11/2018 12:34

I've met a guy from down my local pub (I come here occasionally in the mornings to grab a coffee & study). Anyway, we started talking as he asked me one day what I was studying, which led on to us talking about his degree and uni days, etc.

Fast-forward to now - we've been getting together maybe once / twice a week for a drink and a gab and literally can spend hours upon hours just talking - he's really intelligent, which is what I like in a guy.

Anyway, we've had a kinda FWB relationship going on but he wants it to be more.

The thing is (what's stopping me), is he is unemployed and has no desire to return to work (he's 53). He was 'let go' by the Job Centre years ago and now claims disability for recurring Depression.

I'm not being overly materialistic here, rather realistic - he's always 'skint' - I have 3 kids and whilst I wouldn't expect a partner to take on financial burden of that, I'd still expect some kind of contribution.

Also, I find it quite lazy that he's not prepared to look for work and seems comfortable to live the way he does right now.

AIBU in using this as a deal-breaker?  Please don't shoot me down guys 

OP posts:
Polkasq · 07/11/2018 18:51

What is a "work ethic" anyway? Is it now "unethical" to not work due to a mental health problem?

Mellodrama · 07/11/2018 18:57

@chirpyburbycheapsheep I find your comment extremely concerning actually! As for the 'laying it on thick' - his words - not mine.

There is only so much you can do to help somebody - I went the extra 10 miles to help my DH with his depression before AND after he suffered a Stroke but he had given up and did not do ANYTHING to help himself (which, btw, therapists encourage this as much as they can) and it is ABSOLUTELY DRAINING  Though I shouldn't need to justify this to you, what my point is, is that even sufferers of MH (yes, I suffer myself) have to be at least willing to TRY and help themselves - DR's encourage exercise such as gym etc.

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Mellodrama · 07/11/2018 18:58

@Vitalogy He didn't ask, but yes, very much hinted and I wanted to help x

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Mellodrama · 07/11/2018 19:00

@Polkasq IMO having a work ethic is being actively prepared, willing and having desires to work - his 10+ years of unemployment are NOT due to continual depression - he admitted he's gotten 'stuck in a rut' so to speak 

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Isleepinahedgefund · 07/11/2018 19:07

@Mellodrama I know tell me about it!

Just as a heads up, you might want to rethink lending him money. He sounds quite like the guy I was with, and he used to use me as an interest free loan facility. He did always pay it back, but eventually I said I wouldn't lend to him anymore - I needed my money available to make sure my child is looked after, not to bolster his finances.

When I said I wouldn't lend him money anymore, he stole it from me instead - took some cash I'd left on the side while my back was turned. He did admit it and say he'd pay me back, but as you can imagine, that kind of ended things for me. Never did pay me back either!

Rudgie47 · 07/11/2018 19:07

I'd just leave him to it OP.The fact that hes asking/hinting for money is bad news. I think you know where this is going.

chirpyburbycheapsheep · 07/11/2018 19:07

@Mellodrama what do you find concerning? That an NHS psychologist called out some of the comments on here for the ignorant opinions they are? Tell me, how much do you know about intractable depression? How much have you studied outcomes for those undertaking treatment for mental health conditions? I am not talking about those who go through 'rough patches' in their lives and need to get out more or get some CBT but those diagnosed with major depressive disorder.

Because what you should find concerning is that for those who end up with mental health conditions there is no guarantee that any treatment they undertake will 'cure' them. Many people live with mental health conditions that are completely untreatable and unhelpable hence the increase in numbers of those suffering seeking euthanasia in places such as Holland.

Also, I am not questioning his words just your choice to drop this in after stirring up an anti-mental health and disablist fury as if to say 'oh, by the way, all those saying he is a scrounger, well you're probably right as he said this (innocent face)'.

There are some very good training days about mental health if you want to go and learn about depression and how people are best to manage it. Just thank yourself lucky that you yourself are one of the ones who responded to 'self help.'

But no, it is my comment about hoping people are run over by a bus that you find concerning? Well, you know what they say....unless you have walked (or been unable to walk) a mile in their shoes....

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow1 · 07/11/2018 19:08

Sometimes people just pretend to be depressed so that they don't have to work. Wink

Mellodrama · 07/11/2018 19:15

@NotSuchASmugMarriedNow1 thank you for being the only one to actually say this because it is all too true in cases x

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Vitalogy · 07/11/2018 19:15

Yeah, hinting for money is sneaky. He's taking money off you knowing you have three children to take care of. I'd put an end to that. Watch his face when you say no.

Mellodrama · 07/11/2018 19:19

@chirpyburbycheapsheep I've clearly hit a nerve - as I explained initially, this thread does not contain SEVERE depression! And you don't know me so wouldn't know who's shoes I HAVE and have NOT walked in?! 

If I were you, I'd seek another therapist tbh as any professional in this field suggest exercise - self-help etc.! Bye for now 👋🏼

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ilovesooty · 07/11/2018 19:25

PIP is not an out of work benefit.

Mellodrama · 07/11/2018 19:28

@ilovesooty I think he must've been awarded the element where you're not obligated to find work (sorry, I don't know much about this benefit)

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ilovesooty · 07/11/2018 19:54

PIP doesn't have an element where you're not required to find work. It's to help with daily life and managing a disability.

troodiedoo · 07/11/2018 19:59

Yanbu he sounds like Frank Gallagher.

Witchofwisteria · 07/11/2018 20:13

YANBU if he's not too depressed to go to the pub, he's fit enough to work IMO.

Rudgie47 · 07/11/2018 20:22

Are your sure hes not Jim Royal? does he say my arse a lot and eat wafer thin ham?

Gabilan · 07/11/2018 20:40

If I were you, I'd seek another therapist tbh as any professional in this field suggest exercise - self-help etc.!

Therapists may or may not recommend exercise depending on the extent of the depression and possible causes. For anyone with an eating disorder alongside depression exercise could be bad news. Exercise can help alleviate depression only if you're well enough to undertake the exercise, and there can be a myriad of reasons why you might not be.

It just doesn't sound as if you two are a good match.

user1490465531 · 07/11/2018 21:02

It has been proven that work can actually help depression by making you less isolated and interact with your peers.

Graphista · 07/11/2018 21:12

"A man in his early 50s with a history of MH issues would struggle to find a job that wasn't minimum wage shitwork" based on my own experience last year of mistakenly thinking I was well enough to return to work and applying for jobs and getting absolutely NOWHERE (out of over 200 applications only a few even replied!!) I'd say he'd struggle to find a job full stop!

Largely I firmly believe BECAUSE of attitudes to people who've not worked due to long term illness especially mh issues. A sort of advocate I was working with who's job is to help long term sick back in to work, and who is experienced in the area, agreed and this was supported by some very thinly veiled feedback when she followed up with some of the companies I applied to.

My concern would be his spending so much time in the pub especially if he is drinking alcohol. He could well be self medicating but honestly I don't think it would be doing him any favours to add the stresses and strains of a full relationship & family to his already probably difficult life.

It's one of the reasons I'm not actively seeking a relationship. It would be additional stress for me and I don't honestly think it would be fair to expect someone else to cope with my extensive issues.

If (and with my experience of the benefits system I think it highly unlikely) he is simply workshy, that's not something you want to have to deal with either.

You could stay friends (with or without benefits) possibly with a view to it becoming more if/when he's doing better, but really that would be stringing him along. To be fair to him I think friends without benefits would be best.

Being able to go to the pub (and note it's always the same pub and presumably the same people he's seeing - not something which is very challenging/scary) does not necessarily mean he is well enough to work.

When I'm at my most well (which is unpredictable and intermittent) I can go to certain pubs/cafes/restaurants where I feel safe and that I know what to expect in terms of patrons behaviour, menu etc. I might even 😱 be spotted smiling on occasion - doesn't mean the day before or after I wasn't a sobbing shaking mess barely able to speak because something triggered my OCD/anxiety.

Even at my most well I plan more stressful days to be sandwiched in between quiet days as I know that's one of the things I need to do to manage my health.

I know my triggers and plan travel routes, what days I go out (currently housebound - agoraphobia as a result of the OCD but agoraphobia doesn't necessarily mean totally housebound always either - much misunderstood), what clothes I wear, who I see/do things with, what/how much I do while out with careful regard to what I know I can cope with.

I've had a few acquaintances make bloody stupid comments usually behind my back but occasionally to my face - basically along the lines of "you can't really be depressed/anxious/OCD/agoraphobic if you did X y z"

Thankfully good friends and family work with me even if they don't entirely get how my twisted mind works!

One good friend did say - out of genuine curiosity - that she hadn't noticed me doing anything "weird", as an exercise next time I went into town with her I told her EVERY time I did something to mitigate my anxiety - from not walking on cracks in the pavement, to briefly and discreetly using hand sanitiser each time I'd had to use a handle or touch a strangers hands - usually when paying cash and having to take change off an assistant to taking MUCH longer routes from shop A to B because there was something in street c that was a trigger. She was shocked just how often and extensive the issue was.

That's a very long winded way of saying neither op nor pps can possibly know how severe this guys illness might be.

Even his claim of "laying it on thick" could be his way of saving face/minimising his issues.

Pip is not a work related benefit anyway, it's awarded to those working and not in work.

Dutch1e · 07/11/2018 21:23

Glad you've decided to back off.

Borrowing money, can't sustain an erection, and being kicked out by the bartender for being a nasty drunk is really all you need to know.

willdoitinaminute · 07/11/2018 21:52

You could be describing my exBil. He is a functioning alcoholic who spends a great deal of time in pubs, hasn’t worked for 10+years and is a well educated bloke. He is also a fantasist, suffers with chronic anxiety ( alcohol related) and lies through every tooth in his mouth. He is also a nasty drunk. He doesn’t drink to excess just consistently unless he’s on a bender and you would have no idea that he was drinking when you around him.He is a couple of years older than your friend but then bil would probably knock a few years off for good measure.
No doubt he suffers with mental health issues but dig a little under the veneer and there will always be a cause.
Stay friends if you enjoy his company but don’t lend him money.

Vitalogy · 07/11/2018 22:57

can't sustain an erection, and being kicked out by the bartender for being a nasty drunk is really all you need to know. Has this been mentioned? Missed that bit then.

WithAFaeryHandInHand · 08/11/2018 08:27

Only just returned to read the replies. Thanks for all of your opinions.

He is not severely depressed - he did admit to 'laying it on' a little for his PIP assessment  I wasn't labelling him lazy or work-shy due to his depression - I was stating that he has shown very little desire to return to work, even if he gets to a better place emotionally - we have discussed this.

Googled already (I'm almost as good as the FBI at finding things out!)  But... one of the barmaids in said pub did explain to me yesterday, that although he IS a nice guy, she has had to ask him to leave occasionally as he can be a 'nasty drunk'

I told him today that I still stand by my choice of not wanting a relationship and there would no longer be any point of trying the whole FWB as he can't even sustain an erection

@vitology

Here you go^^. Op’s update yesterday.

Yeah, based on that, I also think you’re doing the right thing by backing off.

I’ve lived with a depressive alcoholic with (I believe) some other undiagnosed MH issues. Never would I contemplate exposing my children to that.

Yes, that person had my utmost sympathy, but I would never put my innocent children in a situation where a nasty drunk, who, let’s be honest, you just met randomly at the pub, (on a weekday morning?) was someone my children had to have a relationship with. No fucking chance.

I’m sure he has his demons and isn’t an evil person, but it’s not something I’d want near me in any romantic context; FWB or LTR.

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