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to envy my friends stripped back life?

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lifeontheotherside · 05/11/2018 15:25

I am just back from visiting my friend over the weekend and was struck by how lovely her life is compared to mine. She lives in an excouncil house in a semi rural area, with beautiful woods and countryside on her doorstep, she doesn't have a job but works from home part time on a hobby that also provides her an income. Her husband has a professional job, earns a good wage and they live well below their means so they always have money for treats and luxuries like a couple of holidays a year, nice skincare, books etc without buying into a lifestyle they don't want. She has quite a stripped down social calander and only makes time for people and things she really likes.

She seems to have the time to bake cakes, cook from scratch daily, read, exercise, have quality time with her husband. She looks about 15 years younger than me and I am the same age! I live in the city and juggle fulltime work, a 5 year old, my relationship, my social life, parents etc all on the fumes of my empty tank. My rent is very expensive for a pokey flat and even though I live in the city I spend hours a day commuting to and from work!

When I get home I don't even want to think about food so my diet is crap and I have no time for the gym. I feel like I am missing my son growing up and the stress of everything I have to do means I often don't enjoy my life very much. I can feel a sense of satisfaction if I meet a deadline or if my son seems happy but its mostly short lived as there is always something else to cope with!

My husband and I don't spend a lot of time together. I tend to veg out infront of some crap telly while he is on his laptop. We both like to be social and put pressure on ourselves to always be out doing something and challenging ourselves but again we just end up dragging ourselves through things we are meant to enjoy rather than truly enjoying it.

For many years I felt my friend was living a very limited life but now I can see that she was trying to make a life that would satisfy her and be a life she could actively enjoy instead of running around always on the go, too busy to really experiance it.

When I look around at my friends and workmates it seems like most people are just always on the go, exhausted, using or food to cope, not having the time or energy to enjoy their loved ones and children or to just be. I envy my friend her ability to see all that at a young age and take her life in a different direction but I think i'd be too scared to follow suit. I know I depend on my job for my identity and self worth, I worry that if our lives slowed down my marriage would fail or that I wouldn't have the inner recources to make a life for myself outside the mainstream life script.

I thought i was succeeding but now at 40 I wonder if I really made any choices at all. Does anyone else feel like this?

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madcatladyforever · 05/11/2018 19:29

No I don't, I live that chilled life in the country and do exactly what I want. It didn't come to me by accidebt though it took exact planning down to the letter.

MyBrexitIsIll · 05/11/2018 19:30

I disagree about having married the man that has a good wage.
The lifestyle the OP describes is NOT about working part time etc...
(I have to say she didn’t help when she said her friend didn’t have a job wven though she is working part time from home).

That’s sort of lifestyle you get it by not always bying ‘what everybody else and we are all suppose d to really want’. You get it by choosing your friends and what you enjoy doing. You get it by been mindful and careful in ycase ur choices.
And you can get that working full time too. The time to exercise, the cooking meals from scratch, baking. I’ve done all of those working full time (when I didn’t have children!!).
I’ve done the ‘taking the time and refusing to rush’ too. By getting up slightly earlier and living more rurally so I dint have a long and stressful commute.

Etc etc

On the other side, there are plenty of SAHM that do not have that lifestyle at all....

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 05/11/2018 19:32

It’s going against society norms of
achieving and a better house/job/holidays/car

I’m the process of simplifying but it’s a long road! We moved to a more rural town to a cheaper house. Friends actively comment on it as they expected a big country mansion. I work part time but am studying for a job that will give me more flexibility. So I’m busier than ever! The kids are at the local school and immersing themselves in the community even though if I worked full time we could go private

It’s tough though. With the simpler life comes a change in friends. Friends going the other way are growing apart

I started all this at age 40. I think it’s a real
time for reflection. You are on that road now!

crimsonlake · 05/11/2018 19:34

I hate it when people leave out details as it may be too outing, too outing to whom exactly. People already give enough detail to be potentially identified. I want to know what your friend makes for a living that enables her to earn an income at home.

GrabEmByThePatriarchy · 05/11/2018 19:34

Why all the comments about marrying a rich man, when we don't actually know whether the DH is the main earner, and we do know the friend could pay all the bills on her own income? Maybe she earns more than he does! I expect it from harshbuttrue, she's a lost cause when it comes to thinking critically about anyone daring not to work full time, but otherwise it's disappointing to see the assumptions.

HopelesslydevotedtoGu · 05/11/2018 19:36

It's about living well within your means, and
what that means will vary depending on your income.

Many people I know will get the best house they can afford, then have the pressure to carry on earning.

Instead think about the minimum house you genuinely need to be happy and get that. Then you have less stress and can either work less or use the money for something that makes you happy.

There is a good Minimalism documentary on Netflix looking at time/ motion studies of people living in big US houses- they spent virtually all their time in a small area of their huge house. Was the rarely used space they were paying for making them happy?

Badbadbunny · 05/11/2018 19:39

I "downsized" when I first got married. Before then, I had a very high powered job, high salary and a very nice company car, but I had no personal life as I worked 90 minutes away, so 3 hours per day were lost together with working a typical 8-10 hour working day. I gave it up for a "normal" job just a couple of miles from home - no commute, not stupidly long working days, but only half the salary and no company car. It was well worth it and I've not looked back. We simply cut our lifestyle down to our reduced income level, which meant doing simple/cheap things like walking & cycling instead of going abroad on skiing holidays. You need to have a "revelation" moment and cut out all the irrelevant crap you simply don't need.

smithsinarazz · 05/11/2018 19:42

@EssentialHummus - yeah, me too! I didn't intend to become a housewife on the birth of our son but - well - I just haven't gone back to work. And, having had some fairly serious bouts of depression etc throughout my adult life, I actually find that I'm just - better - hanging around in the park with the boy and doing Friends of the Park stuff rather than being at work. I've never been that much of an expensive date, anyway.
OP, if your friend's set up her life so that she's happy, and her husband is ok with her contributing less, financially, to the household than he does, then good for her. That doesn't mean to say her way of life would suit everyone, or that she's a better person, or a worse person, or anything. Just that nobody has a duty to be unhappy.
Good luck with trying to find your way towards the same sort of thing. xx

BlueJava · 05/11/2018 19:49

But now you have identified some things that you want, why not put them in place by figuring out a way to achieve them?

HopelesslydevotedtoGu · 05/11/2018 19:50

Same as you calledyou- I told a friend we might move to a much cheaper area and she said enviously "wow, you can buy a really big house there!!" whereas we would have had the same size house and spent less.

chocatoo · 05/11/2018 19:50

Remember that the grass isn't always greener. There will be things that you do and have that she will probably miss at some point. We moved to a small village and I crave the excitement of going into the city.

I think the key is to find some things that you can do to make some changes to your lot.

QueenofStella · 05/11/2018 19:51

I agree with a few PPs about not doing what ‘society’ tells you or expects of you. A lot of people feel the pressure to get the ‘big’ career, marry the ‘right’ person, have the 2.4 children, and manage all of this while being pretty/skinny/organised/helpful/all things to all people.

Being a natural rebel, I decided against all of this (apart from the marriage part - only because DH is a good guy and certainly worth being married to!). ‘Stuff’ just doesn’t do it for me - even shopping for clothes is the biggest bloody chore in the world. For me there is nothing better than simple things like sitting in the park with my coffee cup and a newspaper, or going for a run. Minimal costs, but experiences over stuff.

OP, they say comparison is the thief of joy, so try not to focus on what your friend has, and have a good think about what will make you and your family happy. Then start making small steps towards that.

LipstickHandbagCoffee · 05/11/2018 19:58

I’d rather stick a fork in my eye than life Your friends life
Semi rural, hell no. I want to live in the city
Cook from scratch?i do that already
Be financially dependent on a man.hell no.shes got no job and depends on her dh
I don’t want to tinker with a hobby to pass time.I want a professional full paced job
If she’s happy we’ll and good.but no I don’t seek to attain what you describe

toxic44 · 05/11/2018 19:59

'Her husband has a professional job, earns a good wage ...' There you have it. She can live as she chooses without missing out on the 'treats' because they have a solid financial footing. Working from home is as much a proper job as a waged position but it's very hard to earn enough to pay everything unless one of you is in FTW. Home cooking is cheaper than bought-in prepared food and perhaps a light dalliance in the kitchen - nothing to heavy to start with - would help you change things round. Involve your DH in the cooking, men are often great cooks.

TatianaLarina · 05/11/2018 20:04

I think anyone’s going to have a nice time working part time with professional partner on a reasonable wage. Not everyone is so lucky.

It sounds more with you about the fact that you are frantically running around doing things to avoid issues in your marriage. If you felt less need to socialise and your marriage felt like it was in a good place you might feel altogether less stressed.

GrabEmByThePatriarchy · 05/11/2018 20:04

OP says she doesn't depend financially on her DH and could pay the bills herself lipstick...

TatianaLarina · 05/11/2018 20:06

Yeah but she’d have a more limited life she’d be supporting herself rather than having someone else earnings to fall back on.

LipstickHandbagCoffee · 05/11/2018 20:08

A woman Having a partner in a professional well paid job isn’t lucky
What a cliched and discriminatory notion,o’er hasn’t she married well
Not so lucky when you have no work exerperience and as financially dependent

californiascreaming · 05/11/2018 20:12

It's quite refreshing to read his thread. I have a stripped back life but am considered an oddball by family and friends/acquaintances. Nice to see that there are plenty more like me that don't need 'stuff', which means less need to work and more time to live.
Op - even if it's not really something you would feel comfortable fully embracing it sounds like maybe you need some small elements of it in your life..

GrabEmByThePatriarchy · 05/11/2018 20:12

Yes Tatiana she'd have a more limited life, but that's a different thing from financially depending on her husband. People keep saying that, but we've been specifically told she could pay all bills herself if needs be, only with fewer treats, and we don't even know whether he's the higher earner of the two.

lifeontheotherside · 05/11/2018 20:14

Yeah I just want to make clear she can support herself on what she makes part time from her home but her husband does earn more than her. She could easily make more if she wanted to but the life work balance they have suits them so he goes out and works fulltime she does most of the day to day house stuff and cooking which she has routines for (and listens to audiobooks as she works so says she enjoys it) and they have their evenings, weekends and holidays for each other. He does obviously muck in with the housework when he's around so she isn't some slave to him.

I said earlier I like the prestige of my job title and what I mean is that when people hear what I do it sounds impressive and I get a boost from that. As I get older I realise its daft to kill myself just so I have something to good to say when I get asked "what do you do then"!

My friend doesn't care what anyone things of her really she is very low drama but self contained.

Thank you for all the suggestions I do need to sit down and think about what I want in the next few years and make some changes or I'll be done in by 50!

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LipstickHandbagCoffee · 05/11/2018 20:16

Err hang on she’s not got a stripped back life,she’s got a well remunerated job
Sure she’s not commuting or working FT . But shes working earning enough to pay cover rent,bills if she had to
So this is not the off grid idyll it’s first portrayed as

RomanyRoots · 05/11/2018 20:22

I can see how it appears stripped back because people with two incomes do tend to have a more lavish lifestyle than your friends, especially with no dc.
Also, not wanting to earn anymore to keep the right work/life balance too.
However, they have a lot of money to enable them to choose to do this, and I bet he doesn't drive to work in a 10 year old banger, either.

GrabEmByThePatriarchy · 05/11/2018 20:23

I suppose it comes down to whether you think the amount of time worked or money earned is what defines stripped back. Personally I'd have said the former.

Not sure it was portrayed as off-grid either, OP said semi-rural then people took that and ran with it. Could easily be the very edge of a suburb or town!

lifeontheotherside · 05/11/2018 20:24

Actually he uses a bike and the train to get to work and they do have a 10 year old car!

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