To think that the fat you eat is the fat you wear?

[florafawna]

New study finds that fat consumption is the only cause of weight gain

medicalxpress.com/news/2018-07-fat-consumption-weight-gain.html

I know carbs are the villain at the moment, but it's only a matter of time before fat is the villain again.

I am on a low-fat diet and am sticking to that, I think, even though I am unfashionable. For the moment!

I’m really, really glad we know about how to keep mice slim though. That sort of knowledge will really help mankind. Think of the diet books we can sell them, the cooking shows, the range of ready meals we can flog them for nights you just cba to cook for your baby mice.

How many of those mice got killed after the study ended? I’m guessing all of them.

@florafawna Tue 30-Oct-18 08:56:09
Interesting. I don't think carbs are the devil at all. I lost loads of pregnancy weight eating jacket potatoes and pasta with low-cal sauce

We are in the minority these days

Different people have different levels of insulin resistance which will affect how many carbs someone can eat.

Just eat a balanced diet without added crap, and don't be a lazy pig, there is the answer

Pinning this to my fridge

Oh why’s that juells? Is that to make it a complete protein?

A lot of them are younger people. No way are they eating low fat. It's the eating out/takeaway culture (all high-fat foods) that's causing an issue for them.

It is not the fat, it is the combination of carbs and fat.

If you understand the biology of what happens when you eat high carb, high fat food you would know that obesity is inevitable

Do you consider that low fat?

No, I eat way less than that

So, no actual need for a low fat diet. Just to keep fat at healthy levels.

How many of those mice got killed after the study ended? I’m guessing all of them

Although the study was promoting veganism, so potential to save A LOT of different animals' lives in the long-run. Provided people took it on board, of course.

So, no actual need for a low fat diet. Just to keep fat at healthy levels

My diet is low fat though, but not by eating processed low-fat options.

Semi skimmed and more so, skimmed milk do have additives in it though to make it taste better. A quick google has loads of sources for this,

Simply not true in the U.K. I drink semi skim and there’s nothing in except milk.

Agree OP. Just look around, something's clearly not working.

My personal theory is that people no longer allow hunger pangs, it's normal to feel them and look forward to a meal but now there's a culture of immediate gratification in all things - including food.

I can't be bothered with any 'faddy' diets anymore. Low this, low that, is a faddy diet in my book. At the end of the day the majority of people including me do not sustain it for any real length of time and in a few years a lot sooner for some diets you find yourself back where you started. OP the problem with the euphoria of getting good results in 7 days is that it tends to go when later you can't sustain the diet or you don't see the fast results you want which naturally slow. I have seen people put large amounts of weight back on even after the initial large weight losses from bariatric surgery.

I am now trying to just eat sensibly. Nothing is forbidden but doing what I think most naturally thin people do that never diet. So if I have a large calorific meal one day I try and eat something more veggie heavy the next. I am thinking more about what varieties of food do I need to put into my body. Whilst a cake looks more appetising than a salad I know the salad will give me different nutrients which will be better overall. The cake isn't forbidden but just isn't something to be had often.

Carbs just produce glucose. If you never ate carbs again, your body is perfectly capable of feeling itself

Do you even understand how much of a key role glucose plays in cell survival?

Go and learn a bit about cell biology and stop saying such nonsense.

Fat definitely makes me feel fuller than carbs. I can graze all day on bread etc. Add in cheese and I'm full very quickly.

What do you think would happen if you never ate a carbohydrate ever again? Ever.

It's almost impossible to never eat a carb again as almost all foods contain at least some carbs, even meat.

However, if you never ate refined carbs such as bread or pasta again, you'd survive perfectly well. After all, our ancestors did just that for millions of years before mills and similar devices were invented. So I guess that's the answer to your question.

I thought there’d been quite a few studies showing low fat and low carb diets both resulted in similar weight loss, but low fat led to better overall body composition (fat loss)?

My personal theory is that people no longer allow hunger pangs, it's normal to feel them and look forward to a meal but now there's a culture of immediate gratification in all things - including food

Yes, I had to re-learn this. I just got into a bad habit of wanting something and having it, unthinkingly. I remembered the olden days when my mother used to say that dinner was coming up in an hour or so and I could have an apple and a glass of water if I really needed it. I was slim-to-normal. It's good to train yourself and your body does get used to it and accept it. The pay-off is so worth it, to feel healthier.

I’m inclined to think the 7 days is hugely relevant here. Extreme diets are hard to stick to longer term, but many do achieve short term weight loss.

When we are starved of glucose our bodies use protein and fat to produce... glucose.

We need glucose to produce energy to keep moving and breathing.

Unless you want to feed on ATP directly.

I would be the size of a house if that was true Im in the middle of a healthy BMI, still losing weight, eat very little carbs and mostly healthy fats. So anecdotally from my own experience this is untrue. Also credible studies show that because carbs raise insulin levels they cause weight gain. There’s a lot more to nutrition than “you are what you eat” and a seven day study is bullshit.

*Do you even understand how much of a key role glucose plays in cell survival?

Go and learn a bit about cell biology and stop saying such nonsense.*

Do you really think the only way the body produces glucose is from carbs?

I can run a marathon with no carb intake. How does that work?

The idea that just because you've seen many diet fads come and go in the past means that they're all equally useless/baseless is silly.

Also, I think it's worth pointing out that low-carb diets aren't really 'faddy'. Until the advent of the failed low fat model in the latter half of the last century, it was conventional wisdom that if you wanted to lose weight, you should limit carbs.

• when I say no carb intake, I mean all foods have some carbs but no need to ‘carb load’ with pasta

Im in the middle of a healthy BMI, still losing weight, eat very little carbs and mostly healthy fats. So anecdotally from my own experience this is untrue

Oh, I've tried the LCHF myself and got very thin on it. I didn't feel it was healthy though (just my opinion of course). It's one thing being thin, but worth getting your bloods and cholesterol checked. It's what is going on inside that counts too.

I couldn't agree with you more OP.

Although I'm following a high fat low carb thing I am just waiting for it to swing back the other way - and it will. It always does

We all know really that a healthy diet is most things in moderation, limited snacking and fresh foods. Most of us also know that too much high fat food - even though it's touted as 'good fats' is eventually going to be deemed to be a no no.

I feel the same way about hiit type s exercise sessions. I'm just waiting for that to be deemed as too much for the heart

If only the execution of just eating a balanced diet was easy eh? 

What do you eat/drink before and during marathons mooncuplanding? I found carbs made a massive difference, like it physically wasn’t possible to fatigue