To think that the fat you eat is the fat you wear?

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New study finds that fat consumption is the only cause of weight gain

medicalxpress.com/news/2018-07-fat-consumption-weight-gain.html

I know carbs are the villain at the moment, but it's only a matter of time before fat is the villain again.

I am on a low-fat diet and am sticking to that, I think, even though I am unfashionable. For the moment!

The current anti-fruit sentiment really gets me - we are bloody apes, apes eat fruit and a bit of roughage and the odd bird or insect, we were fruit eaters for most of our recent natural history

Yes, but until the - comparatively very recent - advent of greenhouses and the ability to fly in strawberries from Turkey in mid winter, fruit was very much a seasonal affair. It was available for a few months in autumn and that was more or less it. Also, commercially grown fruit is cultivated to be much sweeter than it would have been for the vast majority of our history.

So while I don't think fruit should be 'demonised', provided you eat plenty of vegetables, you don't really need to eat fruit for health benefits, though it wouldn't harm you if you did.

Well I was referring to things like muller lights which are the saviour of slimming world-esque type diets that are based all around 'low fat'.

Of course, natural products like Greek yogurt, almond milk etc. Aren't full of sugar and I've used them both in my baked oats this morning.

Semi skimmed and more so, skimmed milk do have additives in it though to make it taste better. A quick google has loads of sources for this, however, this one is American - maybe our milk doesn't go to the lengths of adding chocolate flavouring but I'd rather stick with plant based - I'm vegetarian but unable to make the full leap to vegan, I love cheese and eggs too much.

"Several prominent nutrition researchers, including Walter Willett, who is known for his ongoing, long term health studies, and David Ludwig, who like Willett teaches at the Harvard School of Public Health, have been questioning dietary guidelines that promote low-fat and skim milk over whole milk. Often, flavorings such as chocolate and strawberry and sugars are added to low-fat and skim milk to make up for the loss of taste when the fat is removed. In those cases, the sugar content can increase by as much as 14g per cup."

OP - weightloss 'advice' has been Low Fat/High Carb for decades. In those decade people have got bigger and fatter

But the people who have got 'bigger and fatter' haven't been following the LF/HC advice, which isn't just that, assuming we're talking roughly about the food pyramid, which is mostly lean meat/fish, veg, fruit, eggs and only a small amount of processed, sugary or high fat foods. The people who've got big and fat have gained weight due to too much processed food, takeaways, drinks etc high in fat and/or sugar.

Eating a diet that's mostly lean meat/fish, veg, fruit, eggs, small amount of dairy and some unprocessed grains etc won't cause people to be overweight.

On the other hand, there are no 'essential carbohydrates'. If you never ate another slice of bread or pasta dish again, your health would not suffer and would probably improve. Your weight might too. However, if you omitted fat or protein, your health would suffer considerably

Yes, that's true. I don't eat bread and very rarely pasta. I do love an oatcake though! I don't eat much overall in a day. Just don't need it these days.

I think carbs are still important as filler/roughage etc. Proteins/fats are essential but that doesn't mean we need to eat them exclusively.

We need Vitamin C. One orange gives us 100% of our Vitamin C for the day, for instance, so why eat more?

I started to watch that video but oh my it’s irritating. Sorry, could only bear a minute !

I’ve heard these arguments a hundred times before; it’s natural to eat animal fat, we’ve always eaten it since prehistoric times etc. But we weren’t eating the quantities we now eat back then and they’re weren’t so many of us. If we all ate a Palaeolithic diet now, the planet could not sustain it. We need to work with what we have and “natural” to us might be catastrophic for the planet. I know, who cares as long as I’m thin right ?

Why are you advocating low fat, when surely the MOST reliable, irrefutably the best method to lose weight is to simply eat less?

That's not 'irrefutable' at all - unless by 'eat less' you mean 'starvation'. The 'low calorie' diet has been shown to be a failure time after time. Yes, you'll lose weight initially - that's the easy part - but as your body adjusts to the lower calorie intake, it will adjust its metabolism and you'll gain it all back quite quickly, no matter how scrupulously you stick to the diet. This has been shown in study after study.

90lbs down in seven months here, eating a balanced diet of approx 50% carbs, 25% fat, 25% protein. It's taken a long time to train my mind to accept that there are no 'bad' foods - if it fits within my daily calorie allowance and I really want it, I'm having it. I believe that not feeling deprived is a big factor in sticking to a healthy eating plan, so there's no way I'm cutting out a whole food group.

WW makes it difficult to eat shit carbs btw. Pulses are free but rice is loads of points, as is cake. I think it’s sensible. Some fats, but very little saturated fat, like butter, fatty red meat etc.

"The American Heart Association recommends aiming for a dietary pattern that achieves 5% to 6% of calories from saturated fat.

For example, if you need about 2,000 calories a day, no more than 120 of them should come from saturated fat.

That’s about 13 grams of saturated fat per day.

The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fats – which are found in butter, cheese, red meat and other animal-based foods. Decades of sound science has proven it can raise your “bad” cholesterol and put you at higher risk for heart disease"

www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-smart/fats/saturated-fats

we are bloody apes, apes eat fruit and a bit of roughage and the odd bird or insect, we were fruit eaters for most of our recent natural history

How recent are you talking?

We evolved a shorter intestine and grew our brain on the back of eating more meat than our ape cousins, which meant we spent less time digesting food.

I don't think there's a demonisation of fruit. But there is a backlash against only giving fruit to children. Particularly for snacks. Fruit effectively has simple sugars and children need complex sugars and protein to keep them going. So, fruit and cheese and bread, ok. Only fruit, not ok.

I think carbs are still important as filler/roughage etc.

But that's just an eating preference. From the health pov there is nothing 'essential' about carbs. Yes, you do need them for fiber (which doesn't count towards the net carb content of a food) but you'll find that in whole foods like fruit or veg, which only the most extreme low-carb diet would tell you to limit. "White carbs" like pasta or bread really have no nutritional value. Not saying don't eat them because I enjoy them too, but from the health perspective, they add nothing.

That’s about 13 grams of saturated fat per day.

Do you consider that low fat?
Because I'd rank it as normal fat.

Calories in vs calories out. That is the science. That's the only 'diet' that works. Doesn't matter how you eat them, as long as the numbers add up.

"White carbs" like pasta or bread really have no nutritional value.

WTAF?

What do you think nutrition means?

Hm, I like fat. I like yogurt and cheese and butter and olive oil...
refined sugar not so much.

Do you consider that low fat?

No, I eat way less than that, but I bet a lot of HFLC are eating a lot, lot more which flies in the face of AHA's advice.

The low fat fad has worked really well, right?

Started in the 60s/70s and we are more obese and ill than any time in our history. And I mean really obese. Look around you next time you are on a busy street anywhere in the uk.

Strikes me that something is wrong with the dietary advice around low fat.

People can’t stick to it. They may lose weight in the short term but over 90% put it back on. If you know anything at all about LCHF you’ll know that isn’t the case when people follow that WOE. Fat does not make you fat, it makes you full and once you crack satiety / hunger cravings your weight control changes.

Low fat diets don’t satiate. Do you really think our ancestors could get something to eat every couple of hours? They relied on fat to keep them full. And that’s what our bodies are designed to do, fuel them any other way and you’ll never be satiated and over eat

You can get vitamin c in liver too.

I use high fat versions, low fat mince is gopping.

The idea that just because you've seen many diet fads come and go in the past means that they're all equally useless/baseless is silly.

There's plenty of evidence that refined carbs really are bad for us. It's pretty clear that a diet comprising a wide variety of whole foods, including plant-based fats, is the best.

There will always be faddy weight loss crazes, but we have a pretty good insight into what's actually a healthy way to eat.

Brought up after the war when food was still real food, all the additives hadn't been added in those days.

None of the family was fat, the older ones had lived all their lives on meat with plenty of fat, not trimmed off and pumped full of hormones and antibiotics, proper bread made with real wheat flour, not added soya and chick pea flour, freshly grown fruit & veg and plenty of full fat dairy.

All the older ones lived into their 80's. People were active and didn't sit in front of screens, didn't go to gyms because they moved around naturally, walked more instead of driving, cycled to work, didn't need all the fad diets, and in many cases didn't eat margarine even though it was promoted by the government, because butter was better.

Obesity and poor lifestyle is causing weight increase and health problems. Junk food, sitting around playing computer games, lots more drinking these days since wine became fashionable, and all the fancy beers and cocktails.

People will be dying of additive related illnesses and laziness, not fat and sugar. And our food being constantly messed about with, removing the right to choose. Look at what is in a tub of spread, not much goodness in it, same as margarine when it was first promoted, sweeteners in most things, read the labels and learn what you are putting into your bodies. It isn't good.

Trials and surveys, Government deciding what we are allowed to consume... testing on animals for human dietary needs, well that is done for drugs too and look how thalidomide turned out.

I am thoroughly pissed off with all the crap that is written about what we should eat when all that is needed is common sense and less hype about trendy diets. Just eat a balanced diet without added crap, and don't be a lazy pig, there is the answer.

there are no 'essential carbohydrates'. If you never ate another slice of bread or pasta dish again, your health would not suffer and would probably improve. Your weight might too. However, if you omitted fat or protein, your health would suffer considerably

The level of ignorance on these threads keeps astounding me.

What do you think would happen if you never ate a carbohydrate ever again? Ever.

Calories in calories out is not a fact.

It is very much disputed

The low fat fad has worked really well, right? Started in the 60s/70s and we are more obese and ill than any time in our history

People were pretty slim then.

And I mean really obese. Look around you next time you are on a busy street anywhere in the uk

A lot of them are younger people. No way are they eating low fat. It's the eating out/takeaway culture (all high-fat foods) that's causing an issue for them.

There is no such thing as essential carbohydrate

Carbs just produce glucose. If you never ate carbs again, your body is perfectly capable of feeling itself

*Pulses are free but rice is loads of points

You need a grain with the pulses though.