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He’s the match; we’re the ammo. Only we can stop ourselves - Trump thread 86

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TheClaws · 30/10/2018 03:24

This is one of the most apt political cartoon I’ve seen.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3393501-Couldnt-think-of-a-pithy-quote-so-have-this-instead-Trump-85

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Str1ngofhearts · 09/11/2018 07:49

I wondered that. On a day women assert their anger and win a victory. He averts news away from this and looks like a woman protector on top.Result. But only if society lets it be.Confused

QuietContraryMary · 09/11/2018 07:51

It looks like the Democrats have won Arizona. Florida is tight.

QuietContraryMary · 09/11/2018 07:52

Senate that is

QuietContraryMary · 09/11/2018 08:10

Florida setting up for another shit show. This time it's very strongly Democrat Broward County.

local10.com/news/elections/broward-county-elections-supervisor-explains-why-its-taking-so-long-to-count-ballots

The Senate (R+15,000 votes) is way closer than the governorship (R+36,000 votes)

borntobequiet · 09/11/2018 08:16

I thought the intern looked as though she was waiting to pounce - and glanced around for cues...
Well done to all successful Democrat candidates...and to any Republicans who will use their positions to resist the Trump takeover (there must be some, surely?).

TheNorthWestPawsage · 09/11/2018 08:30

Not sure where you are in N. Calif. Across but hope you and yours are safe from Camp Fire.

BolleauxtoBankers · 09/11/2018 08:39

Me too, Across.

QuietContraryMary · 09/11/2018 08:57

More on the Broward County shit-show

www.politico.com/story/2018/11/08/florida-senate-elections-scott-nelson-2018-recount-975805

Gumpendorf · 09/11/2018 09:27

The problem for US Democrats, and more generally for social democrats around the globe, is that at a time of rapid and alarming change they don’t have as sharp a vision of the future as the people who want to go back to an imagined past. The centre-left can provide better policy prescriptions, but policy is never enough to produce a clear picture of politics. All the vivid images are coming from the populist fringes. Promising a world without Trump is the best the Democrats have to offer.
Whether Trump has been normalised or normality has been Trumpified, the prognosis looks the same. Presidents who lose their first midterms tend to go on to win a second term. It happened to Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton and Obama. Truman and Johnson didn’t try. Kennedy didn’t get the chance. Only Carter and George H.W. Bush failed. Incumbents still have huge advantages under the American system, because the opposition doesn’t get a leader to set its presidential agenda until very late in the day. That’s why it is so hard to defeat a party after one turn in the White House but relatively easy after two, when the playing field has been levelled again. Trump could still destroy himself by some act of hubris. A severe economic downturn could yet wreck his chances of re-election. But we are left waiting on his next move. And, I guess, on Mueller’s.

www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n22/david-runciman/waiting-for-the-future

Gumpendorf · 09/11/2018 09:35

I wonder if the reason for the muted response to Acosta is because the press know it is also an attempt to distract us from Whitaker, from the midterms, and all the other shit that Trump is trying to pull at the moment.

The press are in a bind because unless they do protest and hard, Trump will use the lack of effective protest to ban other journalists it's what dictators do . But they also know that making it about Acosta means attention is taken way from Whitaker, as well as the Florida and Georgia recounts. I suspect hope that the WHCA and CNN are working behind the scenes.

BolleauxtoBankers · 09/11/2018 09:58

The theory about Acosta being set up by the WH is intriguing.
I am ashamed to say that I find myself almost more horrified by yesterday's press conference and the doctoring and manipulation of the truth done, as it was, in plain sight, than I am about yesterday's murders in Thousand Oaks. I don't know what that says about me.

serenmoon · 09/11/2018 10:10

I think it was a set up. Trump was spoiling for a fight and that’s why he picked Acosta for a question. I’m so shocked about the doctored video, just when you think they can’t go any lower. I don’t understand why the other journalists who were in the room aren’t doing more to stick up for their peer though, does anyone know when the next press conference will be? Surely they are going to have to ask about the lying then?

BolleauxtoBankers · 09/11/2018 10:36

I've just been pointed towards Robin Lustig's latest blog: Warning: the president is now shit scared
I think he's right on the money.

Gumpendorf · 09/11/2018 10:50

I think we have been normalised to gun violence Bolleaux. So many, so much tragedy. I hate myself for saying that too. ThanksThanks

The White House's attempts to weaken the press otoh is a big deal because the First Amendment is about the only thing standing between Trump and dictatorship.

I also think it was a set up and designed to distract from Sessions resignation and the mid term failure. Which is why the response is cautious. The press are on a precipice and they know that. I hope.

Lweji · 09/11/2018 12:14

I loved how BBC World News commented on the video.

"It was put up (with the close up) by Info Wars. They said they didn't manipulate it. But they have in the past given us (insert example of fake news)" (I paraphrase)

Gumpendorf · 09/11/2018 12:34

Our new alleged Acting AG on confirming judges:
“I’d like to see...Are they people of faith? Do they have a biblical view of justice?...New Testament...And what I know is as long as they have that worldview, that they’ll be a good judge."
https://wapo.st/2FfxWXh?tid=sstw&utmm_term=.672acdd3a472

twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1060863836264243200

Reminds me of this classic West Wing Clip - from the episode called, appropriately, TheMidterms

Lweji · 09/11/2018 12:41

As in "are they pro-stoning" or "are they pro-let those who have never sinned throw the first stone"?

Roussette · 09/11/2018 15:38

Trump is giving another presser before he takes off for Paris. He is sounding seriously deranged.

Says more than once, he will never forgive Obama, (didn't spend enough money on it. Hmmm... it was efficient enough to sort out Bin Laden) he tells a reporter she always asks stupid questions, says Jim Acosta is unprofessional and horrible. He says the presidency should be treated with respect.
And says April Ryan is a loser, doesn't know what she's doing, and she's very nasty.

Roussette · 09/11/2018 15:39

*Obama didn't spend enough money on military, I meant to say

AcrossthePond55 · 09/11/2018 16:04

For those of you who asked, we're south and east of the Camp Fire as well as on the opposite side of the hills and across a valley (74 airmiles) so in no danger. But we can see the massive clouds of smoke that've formed and are moving south. My son is getting the smoke where he lives (81 airmiles), it's bypassing us to the west. We did have an acquaintance (fell out of touch with him) who lives in Paradise and it appears the town is completely gone.

Back on topic: Heard this AM that a lawsuit may be filed re the Whitaker appt. It was just a passing mention though. What I've heard is that anyone who serves as AG must have gone through Senate vetting. And that means that the successor to an AG is the assistant AG (who is next in chain of command) as he/she has already been vetted. Whether Scrotus bypassing Rosenstein rises to 'illegality' or not, I have no idea. So much of this is in uncharted territory. As is 99% of what's gone on since January 2016!

The protests last night were small, one about 500 and the other around 100. But honestly I don't think that's too bad for mid-week and last moment with very little notice, not to mention that it was getting dark. I think they would have done better to try and organize a bigger protest for this weekend. But I expect there will be more protests as time goes on.

The problem is that this is basically in the control of the Senate as they control the judiciary process. And they're firmly in Scrotus' pocket now that the mid-terms are over. There is very little leverage the electorate has against GOP sitting members of Congress now that the midterms are over. Sitting members know that they're 'safe' until at least 2020. The Dems don't take over the House until January. Any 'damage' Scrotus et al are going to do to Mueller will happen before then.

Congress adjourns on 14 Dec and will not reconvene until 3 Jan. I expect anything really egregious (a direct shutdown and firing) will happen after that date, although I expect 'small' interference such as messing with budget to start quietly right away.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/11/2018 16:23

Neal Katyal
‏*@neal*_katyal
Wow. The Court of Appeals, in a case challenging Mueller, now orders briefing on impact of the Sessions firing & installation of Whittaker. It is possible for parties to take the view that his boss is the legitimate Rosenstein, not the pretend-Attorney General Trump wants to have

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QuietContraryMary · 09/11/2018 17:50

It looks like Broward County should find itself a new election supervisor.

There are ~25,000 votes that weren't cast for Senate there compared to Governor, due to shitty ballot design.

fivethirtyeight.com/features/something-looks-weird-in-broward-county-heres-what-we-know-about-a-possible-florida-recount/

Broward County is around 70% Democrat, so the 'missing' votes could have cancelled out the current 15,000 majority for Scott

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/11/2018 18:18

Baby cannon time

Donald Trump Played Central Role in Hush Payoffs to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal
Federal prosecutors have gathered evidence of president’s participation in transactions that violated campaign-finance laws

www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-played-central-role-in-hush-payoffs-to-stormy-daniels-and-karen-mcdougal-1541786601

Gumpendorf · 09/11/2018 18:37

www.channel4.com/news/moneyball-author-michael-lewis-talks-trump

Interesting interview about Trump and his style with Michael Lewis on C4.