Can we discuss things with mumsnet

[Aftereights91]

Mnhq some of your members would like to discuss things that we are not happy with. Can we please have an adult discussion without this thread being deleted?

That would have to be a judgement call for mn.

If someone was say banned in 2015 for telling someone to fuck off and for troll hunting and then in 2018 wants to come back and access advice and support I’d say fair enough.

If someone was banned two months ago for repeated trolling, no

Miniroll I may get sacked at work for using my phone and laughing out at your comment 

Well, it did seem to sparkling because you kept saying it over and over again.

The bloaty head syndrome example exactly why the often contentious reddit sub was set up, because people wanted to discuss possible troll threads without the risk of the ban hammer.

Yes exactly and people complain about it but that’s what happens when discussion is quashed.

Saying what 'over and over again' continuallychargingmyphone ? I have posted on this thread 4 times and not repeated anything.

Anything a bit 'out there' and dramatic should imo make posters tread cautiously.

Wise up to what's happened before with such threads.
Don't over invest your time or emotions.
Look at the posters history. Are they brand new or have they been here a while? Obviously they could have NC and being here a while doesn't mean they're not a troll but imo it's less likely.
Don't troll hunt as you'll get your post deleted.
And if you're suspicious keep reporting to MNHQ.

Other than that I don't think there's much anyone can do.

To be fair, sometimes something really is completely mental and ticks all the boxes for massive fucking troll.... and it isn't!

I say this as someone who (under a namechange) posted perhaps one of the most "obviously" trolly troll threads on Relationships - I mean it literally had everything you'd expect from a bored half-termer - but no, it was entirely, depressingly true. I had a whole thread about my thread on Reddit and everything, they were convinced, but MNHQ jumped on to clarify.

I think it's okay to "imply" someone's lying, sort of, loosely, like by asking leading questions and reminding posters that not everyone on MN is legitimate... I assume that's okay anyway, I've never been deleted for going about it with some subtlety.

I am wondering (generically) how MN does its investigating into threads they are suspicious about. This has been on my mind since a thread was deleted yesterday.

If they told you what they do it would be like a 101 for trolls in how to avoid detection.

I would be interested to know whether they just do a brief “is there 100% proof this person’s a liar” check, like IP checks or stuff posted under previous name changes, or whether they are also prepared to weigh up other evidence for/against and make a decision.

I mean, when it comes to troll-hunting, they don’t need to put people on a lie detector test and prove 100% that they’re definitely knowingly troll-hunting - they frequently delete people for hinting and asking questions. But when it comes to trolling, the bar for getting deleted seems to be much higher.

I don't understand why MNHQ get numerous reports that posters think someone might be a troll, let a thread run for a week and then suddenly announce it was a PBP. Surely they knew that when looking into it after initial reports.

OP I have the same question.

I was banned for a week for troll hunting recently (I was right, it was a troll and it took MNHQ a further week to click that it was ) does that then mean that if I posted a genuine thread needed advice that it might be put to an end??

What's the answer @MNHQ?

I'm going to report this post to get their attention.

Also I'm pregnant with a baby with a heart condition so I'm very likely to be posting a thread neededing advice about a baby in hospital.
When do they pick and choose who to ban and what threads to stop??

Site stuff is pointless. People have been asking questions or making suggestions for years and generally you just get a "we'll think about it" and rarely do you ever get much discussion. MNHQ will do precisely what they want regardless of posters.

I recall a thread that someone started about mental health in chat or relationships specifically because they wanted traffic and because mental health didn't get much traffic (as many of us testified). It had one or two elements that weren't just to do with mental health either. MNHQ came along and said they were going to move it. The OP begged them not too. Everyone on the thread supported the OP and explained why it shouldn't be moved. They moved it regardless and wouldn't answer any questions as to why and a lot of us were very angry about it.

Anyone who gets banned for troll-hunting on a thread that turned out to be trolling after all should get the ban wiped from their record, surely...

MN attitudes to ‘troll-hunting’ are imho a bit weird anyway. I get why they don’t want to turn any serious thread into a referendum on whether the poster’s telling the truth or not. But they seem to take troll-hunting far more seriously than trolling in terms of warnings and bans handed out, and the result is that the site culture sees it as some malicious sport and doesn’t distinguish between the posters who are shit-stirring and the posters who are genuinely trying to warn others to eg not send that person money.

does that then mean that if I posted a genuine thread needed advice that it might be put to an end??

No of course not, becayse you're not banned. The op means someone currently banned not someone active.

Thr troll hunting thing is because they want you to report it and let them deal with it.

Ok. When I saw she was a previously banned poster, I assumed she was previously banned and let back on (hence her posting). I didn't realise she was still banned.

Yes, Bluntness, but this rather relies on them actually dealing with it. If MN policy is that they will take a very hands-off moderation approach to potential trolls, but a very hands-on approach to anyone drawing attention to trolling, that makes it a very troll-friendly environment.

ThirdChildFourthPile what did MNHQ say after lifting the ban, anything? Bit awkard for them 😳

Nothing.
And it's not awkward for them, whether it was a troll or not I was still breaking the rules.

I just get SO frustrated when everyone gets sucked in to an obviously bullshit thread. And this one was seriously ridiculous. Hundreds of replies, went on for days.

MN banned me for pointing out the obvious and said they would lift my ban in a week. Which they did. Around the same time as deleting that thread....

I know it's frustrating believe me. I guess the only thing to do is report and hide the thread so you're not tempted to post. Or troll hunt and get banned.. 🤷‍♀️

Another point for protecting self from potential troll threads - if something is dramatic and flouncy do not follow it off the board.

It's one thing creating a FB group for a long running support thread or a local meet up or whatever, it's another entirely to create one centring around one particular poster's situation. It's odd. I'd recommend you don't, especially since going off board might open you up to sharing RL details.

PBP usually means the poster came back with a new email but is the same person.