To think this racist should have been kicked off this RyanAir flight?

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I’m not going to repeat the language this passenger used here, but basically he refused to sit next to a black passenger resulting in her being moved and staff asking the man if he was OK once she was moved.

RyanAir have released a terse statement saying it’s been referred to Essex Police

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/daughter-of-ryanair-racist-abuse-victim-speaks-out-following-on-flight-attack_uk_5bcb4379e4b055bc94811e92/

The apologists for racist behaviour on this thread are sickening. Thankfully they are in a small minority but implying that aggressive racial slurs combined with threats of physical violence can be somehow excused because "blah blah blah both sides, maybe she might have said something unkind" is utterly vile.

Shame on Ryanair for allowing an aggressive abuser to remain on the flight. From other reports, it sounds like casual disregard for passenger safety is part of their approach.

have the found out who he is yet?

Yeah a few things worth noting from the video and Huffington post article...

Ryan air offers to move her before the racist slur. She refuses. She tells him he stinks and needs a bath then the racist slur happens.

The only person calling for the man to be removed is a very loud voice, the one behind the camera perhaps? Noone else is. Yet they've clearly sat through the whole thing

Even the guy in the black shirt who trying to calm the situation isn't calling for the guy to be removed from the airplane. He does eventually say to the air attendant "I think you're going to have to move her"

The Huffington post makes no attempt to ascertain the gentlemen's side of the argument.

Police will have access to witness statements as well which might flesh out the picture somewhat. Mob justice has already decided both him and Ryanair are guilty. He's had his face plastered all over the internet.

If Essex police investigate it and find a much more complex situation its not going to matter. Twitter has hung drawn and quartered him already.

I find that really sad.

have the found out who he is yet?

Perhaps leave that to the Police....

Finding out who the man is is very easy. The flight manifest will tell that Seat 26A is Mr. X.

And also, that seat 26C is Ms Y.

( just made up the numbers for the seats BTW, but A is window and C is aisle).

There is much more to this than is being reported I feel.

Even if the majority of passengers felt unable to intervene for whatever reason, I am sure they would have happily suffered a little inconvenience instead?

Sadly, I wouldn't want to bet on it. As with the predictable frothing on Twitter, people may stamp and scream but the instant they're inconvenienced it all starts to look rather different. I don't suggest this is as it should be, merely that it is

As so often Graphista talks a lot of sense - firstly that some comments around MH and behaviour are downright offensive and also that drunken louts should never be allowed to board aircraft in the first place. FWIW I also agree about banning alcohol in terminals and in flight, but good luck persuading the vendors to adopt that

Banana This thug broke the law and should be charged.
She didn't

He shouted vile racist abuse and threatened to assault her
No excuse whatever for that, especially to a 77-year-old woman
Did she tell him he stunk after he became abusive ?

Very clearly the police should have been called.
Hopefully now he will be arrested and charged.

Would you have been making these excuses if a black man had abused and threatened an 77-year-old white woman like this ?

The difference is, that black man would probably already have been arrested

We don't know what happened before the video started, what he said.
However, we do know he committed a criminal act against a 77-year-old woman and he should be punished.

He clearly is a thug, who is a menace in a plane.
He should be banned for life from flying

They moved the victim, rather than tackle the racist thug who had threatened violence.

btw, on a US flight and US airport, that man would have been tasered and handcuffed as soon as he started

I'm not sure we really want to import American shoot first ask questions later approach....
www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-45739335

It's with the Police. I'd withold judgement until they've investigated.

With some cases, there can be doubt and missing evidence

However, that racist thug was clearly recorded; there were several witnesses and there can be no excuse for such crimes against a 77-year-old woman

With the video and presumably his details from Ryanair, it should be pretty simple to nail him

The case of the student blocking the deportation is totally different - he was acting illegally and should expect to be charged,
especially for such behaviour on a plane

Here, the crime is on camera and before several witnesses

Aggressive, possibly drunken thugs, are even more potentially dangerous in the air than on the ground.
So I hope he receives the maximum possible penalty on all charges, to deter others

There is a happy medium between the US heavy-handedness and just weakly giving in to aggressive criminals on planes

I hope they moved her to a better class of seat.

It's Ryanair - you go cattle class full stop.

I don’t understand why her daughter wasn’t sitting with her given no seats tend to be allocated on Ryanair.

Maybe had young children and was sitting with them? That's all I could think of.

?why are people minimizing behaviour and looking for reasons to justify it? It doesn’t matter what she said to him prior to the start of the video. Racial abuse is illegal. There are no mitigating circumstances here. None.

Even if he had mh issues, if those issues are such that he can’t be held responsible for his behaviour then h e shouldn’t be out unaccompanied.

The justification and excusing of racism on this thread is disgraceful.

People bending over backwards to defend a racist, such a bizarre hill to die on

RyanAir sears are all allocated. Have been for ages now.

I'm not really excusing racism. I'm sure if it's that obvious then the Police will make charges, which is right a proper to do

But really dislike mob justice and trial by Twitter. I think it's really easy to get it wrong because the mob only sees what they think they see, especially if you send them off down the racism route.

I suppose that leads me to want to play devils advocate a bit and point out the more obvious issues with video.

As I say, good luck to the Police on this one!!

Sparklesocks I think racism minimisers like to try to muddy the waters. The more they can cast doubt (on a case like this, as you say, there ARE no mitigating circumstances) then they think the wavering middle will get uncertain and do nothing.

And they can be very persistent. The goal is to move what's acceptable away from the decent human reaction towards basically accepting racial abuse.

I suppose, if just before the video started, she said ‘Excuse me, would you mind subjecting me to racist abuse? I won’t press charges’ then the situation may be more nuanced then it first appears.

The thing is Banana he clearly calls her racial slurs in the video. I don’t agree with mob justice either, but there’s not really much wriggle room here - pointing out ‘obvious issues’ means nothing, because no series of events justifies talking to an elderly disabled woman like that, and using a racial slur against her as well.

It is definitely, utterly and clearly a racist attack.

Whatever went on prior to the video beginning - and the lady in question may be an intolerant character, who knows.. the man uses her accent and her colour as a way to denigrate her.

Whatever happened before that, he’s entered into unlawful behaviour territory. He’s also clearly as racist, because however irritating and/or rude a fellow passenger is (if she was, no idea) a non-racist person would respond on their behaviour, not their colour.

Ryanair as I understand it want you to pay for seats together and if you do not, sit you apart. So the chances of any dispute or even just having to move slightly to let a person to their seat are increased because of their policy. So unfair to those with some medical conditions, disabilities or mental health issues for whom being sat next to another family member or friend can provide reassurance and assistance.

Not that in any way condones the disgraceful behaviour of the man who should never travel with any airline again.

Fuck me - not sure what’s worse, Ryan Air’s pusillanimous (so?) tolerance of revise or the apologists on this thread...

I'm sure if it's that obvious the Police will prosecute.