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To think this racist should have been kicked off this RyanAir flight?

389 replies

WickedGoodDoge · 21/10/2018 10:44

I’m not going to repeat the language this passenger used here, but basically he refused to sit next to a black passenger resulting in her being moved and staff asking the man if he was OK once she was moved.

RyanAir have released a terse statement saying it’s been referred to Essex Police

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/daughter-of-ryanair-racist-abuse-victim-speaks-out-following-on-flight-attack_uk_5bcb4379e4b055bc94811e92/

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HobNobcentral · 21/10/2018 11:37

The people who sat and said nothing are as bad.

BewareOfDragons · 21/10/2018 11:37

I suspect people are afraid to step in to incidents like this, other than to film them or protest mildly from a distance.

Because people become violent.

Because airline employees have been known to punish people who were doing nothing wrong (like here, they moved her).

Because people don't want to get tossed off a plane for speaking up.... which could easily happen these days! Airline employees take offence easily and could easily toss the wrong people off!

RyanAir needs to provide the mans details to the police so he feels some repercussions from this! And provide compensation to the poor woman!

BewareOfDragons · 21/10/2018 11:39

At least on a plane, you know he's not likely to be armed with a knife... but on a bus or train or subway ... people do worry about being stabbed for standing up to people! Sadly, a common event these days.

AnyFucker · 21/10/2018 11:40

The bloke in the window seat directly behind the racist bloke practically twisted his neck right off in an effort to not "see" what was happening

Hats off to the young man who put himself in the way as much as he physically could

InfiniteVariety · 21/10/2018 11:42

If I hadn't already boycotted Ryanair long ago, I would now

DGRossetti · 21/10/2018 11:49

All it takes for evil to triumph, is good people do nothing

Sad
Esspee · 21/10/2018 11:50

In my experience the lady moved would have been bumped to a better seat and been treated like royalty for the rest of the flight. At least that is what would have happened on a major airline. Seen this happen on two occasions but thankfully in the distant past. Less common nowadays.

ConferencePear · 21/10/2018 11:50

I'm finding it difficult to believe that this actually happened in 2018.

Sciurus83 · 21/10/2018 11:51

Last year I was on an Easy jet flight with a group of drunk men bring really racist, saying horrible things about foreigners. The staff kept serving them alcohol, it was a 7am flight. One put some take in his face like a Hitler moustache and told his mates to call him Adolf all week and then when we landed he stood up and delivered a speech to the whole plane about Pakis and how they should all go home. I tweeted Easy jet about it and complained at the airport. They did NOTHING. There is no way the staff didn't know what was happening and they carried on serving them alcohol through the whole flight. It was horrible. I wish I had filmed it but to be honest they were saying some horrible things about women too and I was afraid. Airlines don't give a crap about this sort of behaviour. This group were clearly too drunk to board the flight in the departure lounge anyway but nothing was done. There was even a police officer there but they had all obviously decided it was ok to let them on the flight.

HobNobcentral · 21/10/2018 11:51

Esspee, this is ryanair, it's a good flight if you're only treated like shit

Sciurus83 · 21/10/2018 11:53

*tape

DGRossetti · 21/10/2018 11:55

I'm finding it difficult to believe that this actually happened in 2018.

I suspect a lot of people would dismiss this as being "impossible".

That's how it starts Sad.

It's very, very, very hard to fight the feeling that in some ways, we are living our lives backwards. We aren't moving away from the injustices, bigotry and discrimination we thought we'd outgrown. We are moving towards a less fair society. In 20 years time, we'll be back to the attitudes of the 1950s, when the "No xxxxxx, No xxxxx, No xxxx" signs were not only legal, but almost required.

POPholditdown · 21/10/2018 11:57

They must have atleast sarcastically been asking if he was ok, to make him feel a twat?!!

I can’t believe he was allowed to remain on the flight, what a knob

greendale17 · 21/10/2018 11:59

The bloke in the window seat directly behind the racist bloke practically twisted his neck right off in an effort to not "see" what was happening

^Disgusting in my opinion

BirdieInTheHand · 21/10/2018 12:02

The reaction of the cabin crew is appalling

DGRossetti · 21/10/2018 12:02

The bloke in the window seat directly behind the racist bloke practically twisted his neck right off in an effort to not "see" what was happening

Broadsheet newspapers on trains were a brilliant way to make sure you didn't have to look. They're so suited for the purpose, it's hard to believe they weren't invented specifically for that task.

DGRossetti · 21/10/2018 12:03

The reaction of the cabin crew is appalling

Is it so appalling to be afraid for your job ?

TwoDrifters · 21/10/2018 12:04

One has to wonder, if he’s so incensed by a “foreign language”, what on earth he was doing in Barcelona?

(I know this is besides the point).

daffodillament · 21/10/2018 12:06

My god, how bloody depressing ! I do hope he faces the consequences for his appalling actions.

Underhisi · 21/10/2018 12:11

"I also suspect that this man may not be NT."

In that he needs someone to travel with him who can apologise for his behaviour.

icedtea · 21/10/2018 12:13

I hope this disgusting man is formally charged for his hate crime. At the very least Ryanair should ban him (and hopefully all other airlines follow suite) and award compensation to the poor old lady.

Violetroselily · 21/10/2018 12:13

Unbelievable. What a horrible bastard.

I can't believe Ryanair didn't eject him from the plane.

Does anyone know if passengers called the police themselves, would they be able to embark the plane?

(Appreciate this was in Spain not the Uk)

Underhisi · 21/10/2018 12:14

"It's rarely intelligent people who are ugly racists."

Or bigotry of whatever kind is more subtle.

DGRossetti · 21/10/2018 12:21

It's rarely intelligent people who are ugly racists

Personally, I believe racism is an expression of limited intelligence - and I don't care how many doctorates you've been awarded.

VenusInSpurs · 21/10/2018 12:25

Horrendous experience for the family and I can only commend the lady for her extreme dignity..

Shocking that HE wasn’t moved. The cabin crew are heard saying ‘we need to move this lady’

But I assume this is to de-escalate the situation and ensure that the woman was at least saved from being close to this man.

I can see that in practical terms the cabin crew need to keep things as calm as possible. Removing the man from the plane, ‘throwing him off’ would have entailed calling for security, then getting the man’s baggage removed from the hold, and almost certainly losing the departure slot, potentially causing hours of delay for all passengers including those on the flights that that plane was due to make for the rest of the day.

But surely they could have removed him to another seat, told him to be quiet or he would be evicted, or threatened him with police on arrival?

Quite shocking and repellent racism, and general horrible behaviour. We live in cloud cuckoo land if we think that these attitudes are not still
Simmering in our society and that POC are not made aware of this, via small hints or blatant outbursts, every day.

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