To think this racist should have been kicked off this RyanAir flight?

[WickedGoodDoge]

I’m not going to repeat the language this passenger used here, but basically he refused to sit next to a black passenger resulting in her being moved and staff asking the man if he was OK once she was moved.

RyanAir have released a terse statement saying it’s been referred to Essex Police

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/daughter-of-ryanair-racist-abuse-victim-speaks-out-following-on-flight-attack_uk_5bcb4379e4b055bc94811e92/

The Man needed a window seat and access. To put a non mobile person in the Isle seat was poor planning.

Where do you get his "need" for an window seat from? And you certainly can't put a non-mobile person in a window seat.

I've never liked Ryanair and thus compounds why is never use them in the future.

He should have been moved. Poor woman. Shocked about the lack of response from other passengers and the staff. I don't use Ryanair anyway because of their shocking customer service.TBH he sounds like he has learning difficulties.

To put a non mobile person in the Isle seat was poor planning.

Perhaps her disability prevented her from acessing a window or middle seat? And it seems to me that as she may have been on board before this man and other passengers (you can see others still boarding) that she had had special assistance in the airport.

I'm physically disabled and it's bloody hard work planning a flight/holiday. Airlines aren't particularly helpful. There needs to be massive overhaul of the whole system.

Again, Volant, my example was hypothetical. He could have had his bag (or an item from it) with him in his seat (for who knows how/what reason) and decided he wanted to put it back in the overhead locker.

Also, I think they've got to rethink putting passengers who need Wheelchairs on first and taking them off last.

The danger with that is there is can lead to a door saying "no wheelchairs". Look at the trains

Seems he may also escape prosecution.

A barrister writes:

Ryanair sparked outrage after apparently failing to remove the man, with Labour MP for East Hull Karl Turner saying the airline “failed spectacularly”.

Mr Turner, who is a qualified barrister and was once Labour’s shadow attorney general, tweeted: “Suspect the pressure to turn this aircraft around quickly and get it airborne meant that they have allowed this alleged offender to remain on the aircraft. He may now get away with it.”

He added: “@Ryanair failure to deplane the alleged racist offender, handing him over to the Spanish authorities probably means that he isn’t now prosecuted.”

He added: “Unfortunately because @Ryanair is registered in Dublin not in the UK the alleged offence could only be tried by UK authorities if it was ‘in flight’ to the UK. Section 92(1) Civil Aviation Act s.92(4) defines ‘in flight’.

“If this incident had have happened on an alternative airline under ‘British Control’ or it was already ‘in flight’ to the UK the prosecuting authorities could have prosecuted.”

www.itv.com/news/2018-10-22/man-may-get-away-with-racist-behaviour-on-ryanair-flight-mp-warns/

He could have had his bag (or an item from it) with him in his seat (for who knows how/what reason) and decided he wanted to put it back in the overhead locker.

This is all getting a bit desperate, OhDearGod. There are endless hypotheticals none of which are actually likely at the point when the plane is being loaded. If you have changed your mind about whether you want your bag with you and the passenger in the aisle seat is disabled and unable to move easily, you wait till you can ask a steward to put it in for you. You don't start racially abusing the disabled passenger.

This whole incident is sickening.
My first thought was that he should have been removed from the plane, but that would have severely delayed the plane while they got his bag off.
I would expect police to waiting for his arrival

Not desperate at all, volant. I'm just tired of all those (on MN and Twitter alike) who pile in to judge a situation with little knowledge of the facts. It's all supposition at this stage, apart from the footage captured on film, but even that doesn't tell the whole story.

Of course the accepted social norm would be to do x or y, but it's clearly evident that this bloke wasn't following any social norms. Why that is the case is yet to be determined. It could be (likely) that he's "just" a vile racist bigot. He could have Tourette's. He could have Dementia. It needs addressing, whatever the circumstances.
Surely we're all agreed on that.
At least the public outcry indicates that many more people than years ago are rightly angered by racism. Sad that Ryanair would have brushed it away if they'd been able to.

The first thing I said to DH when I saw the video was 'I wonder what happened before he kicked off'. I am not excusing what he said but there will be another side to this. By a lot of accounts, she started throwing insults before him. She insulted him, he insulted her.

Gromance, what conduct precisely do you think would justify what this man said?

I agree re the apologists - yes there may be more we don't know but I can't think of ANYTHING the lady might have said that justifies his reaction at all and as she's elderly, disabled wheel chair user I doubt there was anything she did or she could even have been perceived as a "threat"

Quote above from qualified barrister Karl Turner: “Unfortunately because @Ryanair is registered in Dublin not in the UK the alleged offence could only be tried by UK authorities if it was ‘in flight’ to the UK ... If this incident had have happened on an alternative airline under ‘British Control’ or it was already ‘in flight’ to the UK the prosecuting authorities could have prosecuted"

I didn't know that - but then since I'm no legal expert I wouldn't expect to have done

Sadly, if it's right, it looks as if the passenger may get away with it after all

Sadly, if it's right, it looks as if the passenger may get away with it after all

Ryanair might still be on the hook for a civil suit. Which might be very costly, if the court finds that their actions denied the victim a remedy in law (by having the offender prosecuted).

I've just seen the woman interviewed on the news, she does seem genuinely upset

Ryanair might still be on the hook for a civil suit

But how realistic would that be? Ryanair will already have a load of in house lawyers, but the poor lady could end up with a heck of a bill if she lost

Awful as all this appears, I'm not sure I'd want to take that chance in her position

they behave like arses cos they're arses!

THIS ^

It's demeaning to people who do have mental health problems to always assume that because someone is a twat, then they must not be NT. Most people with MH difficulties are good, nice people who just have trouble coping with the stresses of life - they don't go round making other people's lives a misery.

Load of rubbish! Some people are just arseholes and they will always be arseholes . I'll bet this bloke is an absolute git in every way in all walks of life because he gets away with it - people are frightened of confrontation with him because he is rude and very personal.

I just saw an interview with the poor lady, she has arthritis which is why she was taking her time to move, as if that matters. His racist rant is completely unjustified whatever happened before, I'm really saddened to see people making excuses for his behaviour. He should have been thrown off that flight. He should now be prosecuted for a hate crime.

He could have Tourette's. He could have Dementia

I doubt it's Tourette's, as these were insults used within an conversation in context of the situation.

As for dementia, when they get to the shouting random insults stage, they are well beyond booking a nice holiday flight to Barcelona on with a carer, let alone on their own.

Ryanair might still be on the hook for a civil suit

But how realistic would that be? Ryanair will already have a load of in house lawyers, but the poor lady could end up with a heck of a bill if she lost

I'd happily put a few quid into a crowdfund.

That woman will not have to pay lawyers fees! Not after this

Not desperate at all, volant. I'm just tired of all those (on MN and Twitter alike) who pile in to judge a situation with little knowledge of the facts. It's all supposition at this stage, apart from the footage captured on film, but even that doesn't tell the whole story.

The thing is, this one is really easy to judge. Whatever terrible crime of slowness that Jamaican lady may have committed it's hard to see how it can justify him telling her to "stop speaking in a foreign language you ugly black cow"!

If he does have dementia and dementia rids people of their social filter, then this is him unfiltered and he really shouldn't be on that plane.

I'm glad that woman went to sit with her daughter but the ideal situation would have been to take a stand against this crap and boot the racist fucker off the plane.

Also, I agree with PP saying it's BS to constantly blame people's bad behaviour on ND. My son has Asperger's (something that is constantly wheeled out on MN whenever there's been some crime) but he would never think about pulling this kind of shit. Being ND doesn't necessarily mean you can't see right from wrong.

I would think Tourette’s is the only forgivable reason you could say black bitch or black cow.
For every other illness or disability it means you’re a fucking racist