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to think DS' school knows something the rest of us don't about Brexit?

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Satsumaeater · 17/10/2018 16:05

This isn't a trip for his year group but they are organising a language trip to an EU country by air, leaving on, guess what, 29 March!

I think they come back on 3rd April or thereabouts.

I am a bit surprised to say the least. Do they have inside information that there will be a deal? They've also got a EU trip planned later in April but that was organised months before all this latest no-deal furore, and another one in July, but I'd probably expect things to have been sorted out (to an extent) by then, although they might have to get visas for the British passport holders at shortish notice.

Leaving on 29th seems like playing chicken to me; the kids (and teachers!) might not be able to get back.

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Ta1kinpeace · 18/10/2018 15:41

Tie up your camel, then trust in Allah

I trust that the government will wrangle a deal
but I will not risk my money on any travel tickets with that trust

Backstabbath · 18/10/2018 16:18

@tiredgirly 100% agree with you.

Just think about it.. all planes grounded. Not going to happen..

Disclaimer: unless we have volcanic ash clouds.

Helmetbymidnight · 18/10/2018 16:27

So you’ve read the analysts you’ve read the govt plans, you’ve read what will happen if we brexit without a deal and you’ve decided:
A we will definitely exit with a deal
Or
B they are all lying
Yeah?

Backstabbath · 18/10/2018 16:33

Even in the event of no-deal the government and UK Aviation authority will scramble together a stop gap agreement. It is in no-ones interest to ground planes.

Helmetbymidnight · 18/10/2018 16:35

Or c. You don’t know anything about it and just reckon it’ll be fab.

Ta1kinpeace · 18/10/2018 16:39

Even in the event of no-deal the government and UK Aviation authority will scramble together a stop gap agreement. It is in no-ones interest to ground planes.
Totally agree
BUT
Its not up to the UK Govt or the CAA .....
if there is a no deal brexit
The UK will have left ALL of the deals its currently in and will need to sign new ones to get back to normal
For well over 2 years they have been wrangling over one single deal
what makes you think they will do the other 710 any quicker ?

Backstabbath · 18/10/2018 16:41

Millions of brits holiday in Europe each year and millions of Europeans visit the uk.

As an example.. Do you think the Spanish authorities will want to cripple the Spanish tourist industry? No, they need brits arriving, very similar to other major European destinations, they rely on British visitors as much as London needs European tourists

It is in no-ones interest to ground planes... stop reading the propaganda and think for yourselves for once.

It's not going to happen.

Helmetbymidnight · 18/10/2018 16:48

So you do understand that Brexit means the end of hundreds of agreements over trade, aviation, security, medicines, insurance etc, and a no deal Brexit means there is nothing to replace them at all?

But even in the event of no deal you are absolutely certain Spanish hoteliers will put pressure on someone/ their govt? and everything will be business as usual?

It is c - isn’t it?

Ta1kinpeace · 18/10/2018 16:50

Do you think the Spanish authorities will want to cripple the Spanish tourist industry?
No, that is why they are now trying to cater for sober Chinese rather than drunken Brits.

Southern Europe will do just fine without the Stag Do flights from Stanstead.

Talkstotrees · 18/10/2018 16:53

No one is saying that anyone wants this to happen. Of course no one wants it. It’s just that the consequence of leaving the EU on 29/3/19 is that all current agreements end. Legally. All current agreements. If there is no deal we have no agreements with the EU or as a member state of the EU as of 23:00 on 29/3/19.

TheElementsSong · 18/10/2018 17:05

We’ve had Y2K, is it time to invoke Disneyland yet? Grin

luffly1 · 18/10/2018 17:08

talkstotrees exactly.

It’s been in the Dutch papers today that the government says that a hard Brexit will be a disaster for Dutch farmers and fishers.

That doesn’t mean that the Dutch can suddenly somehow put a stop to it.

They don’t want it to happen, they never did, but they don’t have the power to prevent it. Nor do the Spanish.

ChilliHobnobs · 18/10/2018 17:14

My eldest is on a trip just before and just after Brexit. I trust the holiday companies and school to cancel if appropriate, they won't want the cost of financing students stuck in Europe.

BlackeyedGruesome · 18/10/2018 17:17

language department? Well they are the best placed to negotiate with the people smugglers to get them back across the channel I suppose.

Pearl87 · 18/10/2018 17:20

Why do people think that believing something may happen is the same as wanting it to happen? I heard a lot of this during the Charlie Gard court case - people who accepted that there was no chance of Charlie ever having any kind of quality of life were accused of "wanting a baby to die". I really don't think anyone wanted him to die, it's just that there was no way to cure him. The same with Corrie McKeague - people were accused of enjoying the thought of him being crushed in the bin just because they don't think it's likely he's living it up in Ibiza with a fake ID.

Accepting the way things are, even when you're not happy about it, is just part of adulthood. I don't know if all planes are going to be grounded, but I don't know why people are dismissing it out of hand and attacking others for even suggesting it.

Pearl87 · 18/10/2018 17:33

His reminds me of the 31 jan 1999.

What happened on 31 Jan 1999?

ManicUnicorn · 18/10/2018 17:34

I can't believe it's taken until eight pages in before someone mentioned Spain needing British holiday makers for tourism. How many fucking times... NO.THEY.DONT! In fact I'm sure they'll be glad of the restbite from drunken Brits pissing and vomiting all over their resorts.

AllTakenSoRubbishUsername · 18/10/2018 17:38

Everyone seems to be panicking about this. Nothing will change, it will likely just cost more!

vandrew4 · 18/10/2018 17:39

manic you really don't think that british tourism is important to Spain? Really? really? You're really not thinking this through are you?

TheElementsSong · 18/10/2018 17:42

Disneyland!!!

Ta1kinpeace · 18/10/2018 17:44

you really don't think that british tourism is important to Spain?
We know it is
but its a lot LESS important than the Single Market
and the hotels will just find other customers - they already are

Backstabbath · 18/10/2018 17:46

@ManicUnicorn 2 million brits holiday in Spain every year... get a fucking grip of course they need tourism... Spain has little else

Talkstotrees · 18/10/2018 17:47

And anyway - Spain could not prevent the consequences of Article 50.

Ta1kinpeace · 18/10/2018 17:49

Here is the data
tradingeconomics.com/spain/tourist-arrivals
Spain will suffer a little bit
but it will fill the spaces with East Europeans, Chinese, Asians and Americans.

Brits will have to settle for Skegness and Minehead.

THe Single Market is more important than Hen Parties and Stag dos

squeezedatbothends · 18/10/2018 17:51

I'm in France on the 29th March, working on a student project with kids from all over Europe. Of course, it's not the ones from France, Switzerland or Hungary who are sweating - it's us. Do we not go and lose an amazing opportunity, or take our chances? I really don't know. Haven't booked flights yet because I just don't know what to do.