to think DS' school knows something the rest of us don't about Brexit?

[Satsumaeater]

This isn't a trip for his year group but they are organising a language trip to an EU country by air, leaving on, guess what, 29 March!

I think they come back on 3rd April or thereabouts.

I am a bit surprised to say the least. Do they have inside information that there will be a deal? They've also got a EU trip planned later in April but that was organised months before all this latest no-deal furore, and another one in July, but I'd probably expect things to have been sorted out (to an extent) by then, although they might have to get visas for the British passport holders at shortish notice.

Leaving on 29th seems like playing chicken to me; the kids (and teachers!) might not be able to get back.

@wonderandwander

...on what basis?

@surferjet

I think you're wrong. I think we will crash out, it will be catastrophic for the residents and businesses in this country and you will be delighted as this is all your dreams come true and everything you've been hoping for for the last few years on here.

I also think we will crash out

Do you deadbudgie? What is it about the last 2.5 years of unadulterated incompetence from our always sovereign btw govt that makes you so sure?

"companies will have made provision"

given hmg has only released 'notices' through sept/oct why would they?

you think all companies are making so much excess profit they could afford to spend on contingency plans for each outcome - other than shutting up shop to avoid 'going bust'?

have you made plans? if not why would companies?

if we dont stay in cu and sm your daily life will change beyond belief and not for the better.

@Deadbudgie - lots have people have been working on lots of things (personal knowledge here) but it's still all going to shit.

I’m not so sure KennDodd - this transition period they’re talking about will go on indefinitely I reckon.

As people are now calling it - ‘Hotel California Brexit’

I'm making provision in my business. My provisions to focus on cash collection since I suspect lots of my clients will go bust.

Honestly, the scaremongering around this is ridiculous, and I voted remain. P

I can remember the guy from Nissan going to see Teresa May shortly after the vote in 2016. He came away quite satisfied with whatever he was told.
There has been major investment in the plant since then and in a new business park alongside.

Nissan depends on sales to the EU, it’s the reason for its presence in the UK.

For this and many other reasons I do believe the goalposts will be continually moved and we will never leave.

I think a decision either way in or out is in the best interests for our economy. This no mans land is a disaster and I think it will go on for years.

The fact you think they would be incarcerated is interesting actually. It supposed that’s what you would expect to happen here....

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/03/uk-immigration-authorities-separating-children-from-parents

yes - it's what we do, isnt that what y'all want?

@surferjet

Oh come on surfer, you read these threads, you must know that 'no deal' means no transition.

Which bit is scaremongering summer? The factual bit? The bit that's in the govts own preparedness notices? The legal bit?

Hopefully, some sort of deal will be cobbled together at the last minute. Hopefully. But it's not looking great. So, FACTS about the legal position of the UK in the event of No Deal are, categorically, not scaremongering. They are, simply, the facts.

It is terrifying that so many people wilfully misunderstand the position of the UK right now.

Ever read 'It Can't Happen Here?'. Worth a look.

mantlepiece he came away having signed an NDA

Do you think he'd be so happy if he had a meeting with May now, two years later?

I don't think planes will stop flying to and from the UK. This is an area where the EU (and the USA and Canada) will need a deal that works immediately, even if there is no overall deal. That is because 80% of all air traffic across the North Atlantic passes through the Shanwick Oceanic Control Area. The UK controls that airspace. There is no easy option to reroute all these flights (2,000-3,000 per day) to avoid Shanwick, nor can the EU unilaterally decide to give control of that airspace to someone else. So, if the EU decides to try and stop planes flying, we can stop the vast majority of air traffic between the EU and North America.

Yes, it is possible there will be problems. But I suspect that, in the event, this will be much like the Millenium bug - the reality will not be anything like as bad as the worst case scenarios being presented.

I thought we had to have a deal by mid December at the latest or its no deal, unless the other countries decide to cut the poor ordinary citizens of the UK some slack. This is just the withdrawal agreement remember, we haven't even begun the negotiations really.

Please, please stop referencing the Y2K bug. It is entirely irrelevant to this situation and just makes you look dense.

Prh
Its SWanwick - just near J8 of the M27

bridge There seems to be quite large chunks of airspace surrounding the Shanwick area, I appreciate it would be a complete pain in the arse to reroute round it if necessary but not impossible ?

Please, please stop referencing the Y2K bug. It is entirely irrelevant to this situation and just makes you look dense

Speaking as someone who was heavily involved in making sure the Y2K bug did not have any impact on us, thanks! Nice to hear that you know more about it than me.

prh47bridge
The Y2K bug is a very bad comparator for Brexit
because
in that case the experts took control, decided what needed doing and got on and did it, in time.

In the Brexit case we have had enough of experts and its all project fear so no proper preparation has taken place
while we wait for politicians to make clear decisions

Fennel, I don’t think the position has changed since then. So no he won’t be worried.

In the north east we had referendums for changes to the regions local government. Both results were quietly ignored and the powers that be just did what they had decided to do in the first place. Many thousands of pounds wasted organising the votes for them to be ignored.

EU countries have had referendums on various treaties, they were directed back to the ballot box until the correct result was obtained.

There is no sign of any work or planning for a full or partial exit, either by government or business.

Honestly, we are taken for fools. It’s like a tennis match, batting various pronouncements back and forth over the channel. None of which have any substance.

Both the EU and the British government are marching on the spot. They know the outcome, there will be no change at all.

Meanwhile our country’s social and economic problems are on the back burner, hey Ho!

So, in what ways is the incredible amount of planning and work that went into Y2K comparable to the incompetent clusterfuck that is Brexit ph47?