to think DS' school knows something the rest of us don't about Brexit?

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This isn't a trip for his year group but they are organising a language trip to an EU country by air, leaving on, guess what, 29 March!

I think they come back on 3rd April or thereabouts.

I am a bit surprised to say the least. Do they have inside information that there will be a deal? They've also got a EU trip planned later in April but that was organised months before all this latest no-deal furore, and another one in July, but I'd probably expect things to have been sorted out (to an extent) by then, although they might have to get visas for the British passport holders at shortish notice.

Leaving on 29th seems like playing chicken to me; the kids (and teachers!) might not be able to get back.

Helmetbymidnight you can't reason with them, they are just incapable of critical thinking or looking at the bigger picture. A large section of the British public are just very, very thick and ignorant. In fact we celebrate it in this country.

I had a Facebook friend working in the travel industry when the Icelandic volcano grounded flights a few years ago, and you would not believe some of the comments she had to field from disgruntled holidaymakers who couldn't fly. Understandably disgruntled to be fair, but nothing could be done about it!

*grind

Why should I need to produce evidence against Could, may, possibly.
And as for visas and residency permits, driving licences etc. Works both ways.

This suggests that the school is managed by head in the sand ignoramuses. That would worry me.
I imagine that the flight will simply be cancelled, with no refunds of anything, no compensation, etc.

@ginghambox so what exactly did the unicorns tell you about how it's all going to be fine? Because so far you've provided no counterevidence for anything anyone has said on this thread.

Exactly this. Plenty of evidence provided by posters saying that severe disruption is possible but none provided by the “it’ll all be fine” brigade. Just the usual insults.

Obviously the school shouldn't go ahead with the trip. Complete idiots, shouldn't be in charge of children

Even if there is a deal, I expect customs/passport queues to be longer as some people will be confused and there will be a shortage of border staff (holidays and sickness no doubt).

I think that the possibility of significantly longer waits for a group of children, which can be avoided by travelling at a different time, suggests a lack of planning or even a failure of a school's duty of care. I suggest the OP raises this with the school.

I don’t get it.

So we know no-deal will be an enormous fuck up.

We know - from all sides and all people that no-deal is a possibility.

But many mnetters know that there will be a brilliant and smooth deal. How come?

Apparently the unicorns are going to have a word with pegasus and operate special flight arrangements along with the other mythical flying creatures because it wouldn't be possible to have any sort of disruption in Britain! We're British don't they know!! They need us!!

ah yes the ‘we’re british’ argument

Have we had the y2k yet?

I was thinking about a holiday Easter 2019 myself but decided against it after speaking to my insurance company, travel agent and airline. None could confirm that travel plans wouldn't be disrupted after Brexit, they also couldn't confirm I would get my money back if this was the case, in fact my insurance company said I wouldn't be covered for Brexit disruption. The other companies just gave me a string of 'we don't knows'.

Gov info on this on why planès won't fly if no deal.

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmbeis/380/380.pdf?fbclid=IwAR28j91kTEGCK-yZtbOZsAY8FRU9QaP6RO7umZk66-xjCORyUZwCzU7XPDc

Are people hoping that it is going to go badly wrong, as it sounds like it, what are unicorns got to do with anything, It's like people are gleeful about the transport system breaking down and hope bad stuff will happen.

My personal opinion is that a lot of this political theatre from both sides and a deal will be cobbled together at the last minute, or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part? However until we know what is going to happen booking and paying for holidays is a very bad idea indeed.

And as for visas and residency permits, driving licences etc. Works both ways.

Yes. And working both ways would cause yet more damage to the UK.

The lack of agreements would not be a deliberate act, just a consequence of not agreeing a ’deal’. Those clamouring for ‘no deal’, ‘just leave’, ‘out at any cost’ do no appreciate the chaotic consequences.

Why not read up on the Government’s preparedness notices for no deal? The above scenarios are all possible. It’s madness.

@ginghambox

The French draft Bill does not say 'could, may, possibly'. It states perfectly clearly:

1. After no agreement Brexit, UK citizens become third nation citizens and will be obliged to have a visa to come to France

We are all hoping that bad things DON'T happen. but we are also being realistic and the more people who know about the potential issues and take appropriate steps the better.

Manicunicorn However until we know what is going to happen booking and paying for holidays is a very bad idea indeed.

And that advice is straight out of the mouth of a unicorn!

Why would I want bad shit to happen?

I am incredulous that people actually think the worst scenario is a bit of paperwork on a plane.

Is that because they are entirely confident of a brilliant deal or because they don’t understand what a no deal means?

Just imagine how easy life would be now for everybody if remain had won, we'd have none of this shite to gave to think about.

Lightasthebreeze no one wants any if this to happen, but people need to be aware that it might.

It does sound from this thread though that people are rubbing their hands in glee at it all. We don't go on holiday until October and not Europe so hopefully planes will be flying then and we will need a visa anyway.

If there is any doubt with school trips they are generally cancelled as some London trips were after the terror attacks

They’re not thinking about it. They think we’re making it up.

What on Earth makes you think we’re rubbing our hands with glee? How bizarre

OP I would ask the school about the insurance you have and if you'll get your money back if the trip doesn't go ahead.

Gosh, I love these Brexit threads: it's like reliving Y2K all over again