to think DS' school knows something the rest of us don't about Brexit?

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This isn't a trip for his year group but they are organising a language trip to an EU country by air, leaving on, guess what, 29 March!

I think they come back on 3rd April or thereabouts.

I am a bit surprised to say the least. Do they have inside information that there will be a deal? They've also got a EU trip planned later in April but that was organised months before all this latest no-deal furore, and another one in July, but I'd probably expect things to have been sorted out (to an extent) by then, although they might have to get visas for the British passport holders at shortish notice.

Leaving on 29th seems like playing chicken to me; the kids (and teachers!) might not be able to get back.

Australia are in Eurovision ....

amp.theguardian.com/business/2018/jun/18/aviation-industry-eu-blocks-talks-to-avert-no-deal-brexit-crisis

The US has already offered the UK an Open Skies Agreement between the US and UK but on poor terms and would mean airlines such as Virgin and BA couldn’t fly between the two countries.

Poor terms? Don’t they know who we are?!

Talkin - I do give your concerns credence and understand that your concerns overall are valid and more so for the people, like yourself, that are UK nationals living in a different EU member state and vice versa.

There are so many spheres and MN threads to express your concerns about Brexit (which you do), is it possible that in regards to the OPs original post that we can actually stick on point and discuss the Aviation Industry and Brexit?

I read so much rubbish about brexit but the mums on this site make much more sense.think we should tell the government what they should be doing !

Hatel I’m not sure why you are finger pointing at one poster. This thread is now talking about Brexit as a whole. And with good reasons.
No deal=no planes, no trains etc for a while (hopefully not too long) which is right where we started.

Really weird post, hate

MyBrex - I was talking directly to Talkin as they have posted prolifically on many Brexit threads, and quite rightly so as Brexit does impact them directly and they are quite rightly concerned.

With regards to posting about the specific reason (supposedly) that the OP was posting about - that's it really, just sticking to the point.

I do understand that sticking to any specific point is somewhat difficult in regards to anything Brexit as "it's all a shitshow" but
that's all I'm doing.

Yes I do know more than most about the Aviation Industry just as more here know more than most about the Industries that they have experience of and do work in.

I don't restrict myself to Aviation, but if you want to talk Aviation, I'm listening.

If I go quiet about it - I'm off - ds and I are flying off for a much needed break tomorrow. And in April too.

Helmet what do you find wierd?

HateisNotGood
My daughter is currently living in the mainland EU
I have no idea how / when / whether I will be able to see her for Easter.
I am not booking flights or ferries or trains because I have no confidence that the tickets will be honoured.

As somebody who was not an EU citizen for most of my life I am MUCH more aware than most Brits about the vagaries of getting through customs in and out of countries
(UK customs locked me up for several hours because they did not recognise my ILR)

If some Brits believe that it will all be just tickety boo then fine.
I have ABSOLUTELY no faith in any of the UK's politicians.
I therefore think that any school that booked a trip without covering its arse about the risk of No Deal has been negligent with its pupils.

I suspect that Air travel will get sorted faster than the Ferries and Trains as at least the infrastructure of deals and clearance exists.

I think talkin lives in U.K. but you’re right we’re all directly affected about Brexit and we are all entitled to talk about it.

Talking knows far far more about Brexit than the ‘I reckon it’ll all be fine because Spain needs tourists’ posters. Admittedly she makes them look stupid but that’s not her fault.

I don’t know why you’d admonish her as going off thread rather than anyone else but hey.

so Helmet have you a pov about my post Thu 18-Oct-18 18:54:34 or is that an irrelevance in the great shitshow of things?

It was a specific post, not 'emotive', as all Brexit threads eventually become.

Talkin thankfully behind all the logical thought, science, facts and indeed figures that go into to putting planes into the sky - behind it all is a beating heart.

One of the greatest pleasures of the Industry is re-uniting families (it wasn't always as easy as it is now). Please be assured the Industry will make sure that you still can - Brexit is just another 'risk' that we 'overplan' for.

The rest of it I really won't assume will be easy.

Hateisnotgood
I have absolute faith that the industry will do its best.
I used to fly across the Atlantic as an Unaccompanied Minor before I was ten.
I LOVE flying.

The politicians who want their cake with cherries on top on the other hand .........
They have not got a clue and will not listen to experts
and will not engage on crucial details
so I have little hope of them coming up with a sensible outcome that will not bugger up a lot of people's Easter Plans.

I’m not sure what you were trying to say with that post...sorry.

thankfully behind all the logical thought, science, facts and indeed figures that go into to putting planes into the sky - behind it all is a beating heart.

A beating heart?!? I think you really never have had to deal with customs officials and certainly not British ones then.
As for it to be behind the aviation trying to sort the issue out regardless of of how inept our oliticians are... please wake up. They are doing it to avoid loosing money. Not because they have a good heart.

Talkin - great - flying is the best thing EVERRRR. And as a child from above the clouds it's quite small but yet so big.

The Politicos are just politiking - we might need allotments, UK students might work in the Fields (ref: R4 today) but we will all still fly.

Aviation is actually 'bigger' than the EU - unless you are a nuevo flat-earther that believes the world stops and starts only at EU Borders.

MyBrexit
The airline industry and the UK Border Agency are two VERY different beasts.

One is part of the most dysfunctional Government department there is - thanks to that nice lady who was Home Secretary from 2010 to 2016

The other is a profit driven monster that merrily stabs itself in the back (Laker and BA - I'm that old) but which wants throughput more than anything else.
A bad Brexit threatens throughput.

I have had many difficulties in my lifetime with Customs, Immigration, etc throughout the world - including British ones. Very rarely with the Aviation Industry which is distinctly separate.

Anyway, emote away - I'm pleased that Peace and I have found some common ground.

Which is how negotiations work. Which is what is currently happening. I do feel that many here will only be happy if it all goes really badly for the UK, even though they live here.

Now that is wierd.

language department? Well they are the best placed to negotiate with the people smugglers to get them back across the channel I suppose.

That's not going to happen. It's the geography department so they can find another way home 

The trouble is that what is happening in Brussels is not negotiation.

Tresemme is making impossible demands based on mutually exclusive "red lines"
and the EU keeps asking her to come up with ideas that could work together.
Its been like that since she invoked A50

If she is not to breach the GFA then Norther Ireland has to stay in the Customs Union.
If she is not to screw the UK economy then the mainland has to stay in the Customs Union
But to get screwed over by the Donald on a "free trade deal" the UK has to leave the Customs Union.
The circle cannot be squared.

And the Henry VIII powers are downright scary.

Hence my significant concern about "No Deal" and Easter being rather a disaster

Surely the 'bottom line' of flying or ferries etc is the legality and insurance cover, and not particularly the 'EU' saying or doing anything. If planes do not have all component parts certified and traceable, they won't be insurable. Similarly every other aspect of the whole process of transporting persons from the perimeter gate of one airport to the perimeter gate of another. Since none of the UK government seem able to understand this concept, the prospect of getting it 'right' without a hitch is slim. When the law is concerned you can't just 'wave something through', even if it is a bit of a nuisance and potentially expensive.

HING has gone a bit weird tonight

The airline industry is not a cuddly, altruistic benefactor - it’s run by hard nosed businessmen (and a few businesswomen) for the benefit of shareholders.

Perhaps HING is cabin crew? They tend to be pleasant and helpful.

I've been putting off my pre-flight ironing (which I might not even do). Yes, I'm 'cabin crew' hahahaha (have ya seen ma teeth?), obvs that must be my reasoning, coz I'm a deluded plane hugger.

As it's AIBU, I'll concede there's no reasoning with some people.

All I can do is wait and watch until some descriptives enter common narrative:

Nuevo Flat-Earther
Plane-Hugger

And looking forward to more.....

Da,dee,dum....ahm leavin on a jet plane...

I am on page 3 of the thread and it's giving me anxiety. I am from a European xountry. Is there really a risk that the planes and Eurostar will stop? For how long? Do I have my head in the sand??

Love you guys but don't really fancy being stuck in London for 3 years without being able to see my elderly parents hyperventilate slightly