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That a male just won a women’s cycling World Championship?

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Badmoonsarising · 15/10/2018 14:46

Can’t really get my mind round this tbh though i was aware of another male Laurel Hubbard taking medals in the Women’s Weight Lifting World Championships earlier this year. Are we really ready for males winning the Women’s Wimbledon Title and the women’s Olympic 100m Final?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/15/trans-woman-rachel-mckinnon-cycling-world-championship/amp/

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M3lon · 15/10/2018 16:53

Something that does absolutely piss me off is that women do the floor exercise to music and the men don't.

Interesting that you don't get trans gymnasts that I'm aware of.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 15/10/2018 16:53

Transideology = narcissism.

Transwomen are not women.

Women do not have penises.

Women do not XY chromosomes.

littlbrowndog · 15/10/2018 16:53

That’s it in a nutshell elephants

JacquesHammer · 15/10/2018 16:54

Here’s Hannah, playing full contact sport....

That a male just won a women’s cycling World Championship?
Elephantinacravat · 15/10/2018 16:54

Yes, anyone of this thread who thinks this is madness, please fill in the GRA consultation, it ends of Friday and sport is part of the discussion.

M3lon · 15/10/2018 16:55

elephant my argument is that what happens at the elite level is unimportant to the grass roots. All the raging about the damage done to girls sport is unnecessary and counter productive.

At elite level, the situation is bananas. It should be done on sex not gender or not at all.

But the outpouring of grief on here is totally disproportionate, especially given the actual people disadvantaged in this case, don't believe they have been disadvantaged and are good friends with the person who supposedly disadvantaged them.

ThistleAmore · 15/10/2018 16:56

I play rugby, as does my OH.

I'm a forward (2nd row). My OH is a back (normally outside centre, occasionally wing). For those who don't play or follow rugby, forwards tend to be bigger and stronger; backs, lighter, faster and more nimble.

If my OH wanted to marmalise me, he could, easily, in spite of our differing positions. If I tried to play against a male FORWARD (2nd rowers or locks are generally taller than average, so a male lock is ordinarily about 6'4-6'8" and weighs in excess of 100kg - I am 5'9" and weigh 72kg), I wouldn't stand a chance.

longwayoff · 15/10/2018 16:56

Walnuts, its abysmal. A man beating up women in front of a baying, paying mob, legally, and being paid for it. Instead of being sent to prison where he belongs. I feel like vomiting.

donquixotedelamancha · 15/10/2018 16:56

The overwhelming majority of sport is done by people with no hope in hell of becoming pro. For all those people the fairness of the top level sport is totally irrelevant.

Indeed, those area where women have been historically pushed out of the top echelons are famously egalitarian in the rest of the field. Nobody ever says 'we need high achieving female role models in Science, Football, the City, Politics, Computing.....'

Equally, I'm sure no one will come up with any example where a lack of fairness at the top level of something has had further negative consequences.

Elephantinacravat · 15/10/2018 16:57

my argument is that what happens at the elite level is unimportant to the grass roots. All the raging about the damage done to girls sport is unnecessary and counter productive.

How do you think elite sports people get into sport in the first place, if not at grassroots level?

M3lon · 15/10/2018 16:58

Have already filled in GRA thing with my many and varied concerns on self ID.

It's honestly possible to see the over all issue but not think overreaction in this area is productive.

TW rapists in women's prison? Massive issue...go for it as loud as you like. Elite sport now being won by slightly different genetic outlier than last year? Meh.

placemats · 15/10/2018 16:58

He is a cheat. A big fat CHEAT.

He robbed a woman of her rightful GOLD medal. That woman's name.

Carolien Van Herrikhuyzen

sexnotgender · 15/10/2018 16:58

Phillipa York who used to be Robert Millar raced in the Tour De France in the mens race.
That’s amazing and I thoroughly applaud that stance. That is brave and stunning.

Mediocre men saying I feel like a woman and winning and taking scholarships and prizes from actual women is despicable.

ThistleAmore · 15/10/2018 16:58

How do you think elite sports people get into sport in the first place, if not at grassroots level?

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OlennasWimple · 15/10/2018 16:58

in one sense elite sport is "unfair", because the vast majority of people will never be able to compete at those levels - though that's surely what we watch sport for? To see the incredible things that women and men can do?

And we recognise that there are certain things that make universal participation unfair, so the vast majority of competitive sports have categories to try to create a level-ish playing field between certain groups.

Competitors are split by sex (or used to be....). They are split by age (small age groups when young - Under 11, Under 12, Under 13....; bigger age groups when older - 35-39, 40-44, 45-49....). They are split by disability (blind athletes don't compete directly against deaf athletes, for example). And broadly this works - the rules get tweaked occasionally, but the broad principle is that it is necessary to ensure the safety and fairness of all competitors.

Yes, from time to time outstanding individual athletes emerge and put the others in the shade (Roger Black would surely have won more 400m gold medals if he hadn't been a contemporary of Michael Johnson). But that's just pure luck and there's nothing that anyone can do about it. It would be as futile as complaining about the rotten luck suffered by many promising athletes who didn't fulfil their potential because of things like the world wars, Vietnam, the apartheid era ban.

But we can do something about men wanting to compete in women's sports: we can say no. Separate events can be created for them if they really really don't want to compete in men's events - no-one is stopping them going off and setting this up.

Meanwhile they should stop fucking cheating and stealing away the opportunities that women and girls have worked so hard to achieve.

JacquesHammer · 15/10/2018 16:59

my argument is that what happens at the elite level is unimportant to the grass roots

You couldn’t be more wrong

Ta1kinpeace · 15/10/2018 16:59

In light of this thread
PLEASE DO THE CONSULTATION

here fairplayforwomen.com/email/
or here www.gov.uk/government/consultations/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act-2004

Make this madness end

M3lon · 15/10/2018 16:59

don the difference being that sport wasn't ever fair in the first place.

You don;t get to the top on merit and work ethic...you get their on genetic luck.

Elephantinacravat · 15/10/2018 16:59

Elite sport now being won by slightly different genetic outlier than last year? Meh.

'Slightly different genetic outlier'? You mean someone of the male sex class, who are known for being much bigger, stronger and faster than the female sex class.

M3lon · 15/10/2018 17:01

jacques well if you go running down the street yelling "THERES NO POINT DOING SPORT IF YOU ARE FEMALE" as a result of this, then I suppose you could make it be relevant at the grass roots...but how about NOT doing that?

Everyone just carries on playing their school sport and after school clubs and cracks on exactly as they were before.

I reckon it will be a shortlived phenomenon. No need to drive girls out of sport on the basis of the fear they may never make it to the olympic podium.....

placemats · 15/10/2018 17:03

But the outpouring of grief on here is totally disproportionate, especially given the actual people disadvantaged in this case, don't believe they have been disadvantaged and are good friends with the person who supposedly disadvantaged them.

Cry me a river sweetheart.

Fill in this form. Fill it it now!

fairplayforwomen.co.uk/

JacquesHammer · 15/10/2018 17:03

Everyone just carries on playing their school sport and after school clubs and cracks on exactly as they were before

Until they’re told they have to allow a male to join?

Fuck that.

OlennasWimple · 15/10/2018 17:03

Elite sport now being won by slightly different genetic outlier than last year? Meh

Ah, you're one of the idiots people who think that a man is simply a woman with a penis stuck on them. I see. That explains it

olderthanyouthink · 15/10/2018 17:03

What olenna said!

MistressDeeCee · 15/10/2018 17:04

Surely every sport will be won by transwomen and natal women won't have a chance?

Yes, this will be the case

So if your daughter loves competitive sports, and hopes to train to compete professionally in the future, then she may as well forget it. A man will come along and compete against her and other young women, and all her training and efforts will have been totally in vain.

This is what has happened whilst the government keeps people's minds occupied with Brexit etc. the GRA consultation which will affect the lives and opportunities of girls and women, is going ahead very shortly. & To be honest, most women I come across in real life aren't even aware of it.

Those who advocate ignoring the feminist boards, and will depict them all as ranters, are of course very aware. They are invested in most women being unaware of their rights being eroded, and thinking that being anti all this solely = 'We don't want men in our changing rooms and toilets'

It's not just a so-called "angry feminist" issue.The day you can have a man compete in women's sports and walk off with both trophy and prize money - aka cheating - tells you what's really up out there.