Avocados aren’t vegan?

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AIBU to think this is a bit OTT or should Vegans think twice about eating avocados and almonds because bees are harmed and killed in the farming process.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6269825/amp/Avocados-almonds-broccoli-NOT-vegan-dieters-favorite-ingredients-break-rules.html

British figs are vegan. Fig wasps dont live in the UK

Honestly, you will never regret going vegan! It’s so much more enjoyable than I would ever have imagined! This whole story is a bit mad.
Warning! ‘Angry vegan comment ahead’ 😬
(Cutting a terrified animals throat so we can drink the unnecessary milk from its mother is quite different from moving bees on trucks in my opinion).

Plants need pollination, animals eat plants, there’s no way around this if we take things this far. You just have to find your own way with what feels acceptable I think.

Personally, after 4 years I feel better than I ever have and it really has been a fascinating learning curve. If you want some recipes or any help feel free to message me. Good luck if you try it 😍

I have family members who had ration books from the World Wars and told stories about the lack of quantity if food and the lack of choice of food. You can look on the internet and find out what was allocated and portion sizes. It seems we now live in a different world, with food imported from all over the world and we have much greater choices. I'm all for free from of choice. I've grown some vegetables myself. I don't think vegans are morally better than anyone else, it is their choice. Lots of people in other parts of the world don't get choice about their food.

my cousin said vegans shouldn't eat veg either then because of the heightened need for them fields and nautral habitats are being taken over.animals homes destroyed,plants and wildflowers mowed down!

I agree every place where crops or animals are farmed was once woodland, heathland, forest. So countries where there are fields of corn, rice, cows, pigs are no different to countries who grow rubber trees, palm oil trees. Everything is consumed by mankind. Where does that leave us eating seaweed in the future ?

I am loving the notion of herding bees into hives. They really are not herded. Or herdable!

And crowding is just what they do to brood their young.

No beekeeper overcrowded bees, it makes them much likelier to swarm.

Under one per cent of the population is vegan although it is true that cohort is growing fast as publicity recruits newbies to the lifestyle. The new recruits are often the young who are impulsive and embrace new fads enthusiastically.

Still, it identifies veganism as an extremist choice.

Personally, I have only known three vegans and it is interesting that they have all been young women who otherwise also have mental health issues.

I am not bothered about veganism either way as long as no one tries to convert me or suggests their life choices are superior to mine. The joke about vegans, however, says it all.

Q. How do you know someone is a vegan?
A. They will tell you.

Veganism in general is more ethical than meat eating but there are always exceptions. Nothing is ever harm free. There is no definitive set of rules for veganism in the same way there is no definitive set of rules for Christianity or other belief systems or lifestyles. Some vegans will be very careful with their carbon footprint and look closely at where their food comes from and some might doing it for health reasons so won’t care as long as their food is not animal based.

Teacher22, perhaps you've know more vegans then, who haven't told you. How would you know, eh? 🙄

Vegans don't eat eggs because the process involves the murder of millions of boy chicks and chickens have been genetically modified over generations to lay an egg a day, which can cause them stress and pain and shortens their 'natural' life span. Vegans generally believe that using animals in this way is exploitative, regardless of whether they are free range now.

A lot less land is needed for a plant based diet, as it's much more efficient to grow food to feed humans, then it is to grow food to feed animals to fees humans.

Ummm chickens aren't genetically modified no animals avaliable commercially are modified there are gm salmon they are not however avaliable for sale

All this reading about veganism is really making me fancy a fat bacon & egg sarnie. Nom

No, I don't think i meant GM actually, did I. Sorry, that's me being dumb.

However, they have been bred to become daily egg layers, and breeding something just to harvest it's product isn't vegan, especially when male chicks are considered a by product of the industry and killed in huge numbers.

I don't eat eggs in the hope that chickens are no longer bred in huge numbers to either be killed at birth, or to lay an egg every day, and then be killed after a few years. It's not a great life, and a lot spend their time in horrendous conditions, being medicated and kept inside without daylight. Yes, a small proportion globally are backyard chickens or free range but laying an egg a day expends a huge amount of calories for the hen and feeding their eggs back to them is a good way of feeding them back those calories.

I don't eat them, but do know vegans who do for that reason. I actually have rescue hens in my garden but I feed the eggs back to them - when they lay, which isn't often. I would like to see a world in which chickens arent bred to lay eggs for us, given the conditions the majority live in and the number of male chicks killed goes against my interpretation of the definition of a vegan. I wouldn't judge or feel morally superior to a vegan that did eat backyard eggs though, as alluded to by a PP.

I have a cat which eats normal dry cat food which has meat in, so I am often told I'm not vegan. I don't mind, people can say that. I bought the cat when I ate meat and considered animals suitable for pets, which I don't know. I also have a leather sofa and leather boots that I bought before I became vegan too, which again, others will judge me for still wearing.

I'm always happy to debate veganism, it helps me work out my feelings on a lot of it which I may not have thought about before.

Debate which goes further than "bacon, tho" obv.

I don't understand why there always seems to be an air of vegan bashing when these topics come up. Vegans try and reduce animal suffering as far as possible. Surely that is what everyone, including meat eaters, think is morally right?

It is undeniable that the planet is under great stress, mainly at the hands of humans. Eating meat is very bad for the environment, eating produce that has to have this level of intervention to grow is bad for the environment, accepting the waves of plastic thrown at us is bad for the environment. I think, even if you don't give a damn about the suffering of the 'meat' (yes, even the free range suffers) we should all be concerned about the extreme ways consumerism is ruining our planet? Its the over farming and over producing of everything that is getting too much, we mostly eat too much, waste too much, expect too much and care about too little.

I read an article that said that almost nothing is truly vegan, which rather begs the question "Why bother?"

Because anything that moves away from consuming animals helps.

Avocados and almonds are eaten in vast quantities by all sorts of people and countries around the world. Vegans make very little impact on the amount that is grown.

I am curious if vegans buy vegan food grown by vegans and sold by vegans?

Nope.
Did you really think that was possible?

I totally agree with Reccy above. I too am a vegan that is far from perfect. I still have a leather sofa and leather boots and feed my dogs chicken. I am as vegan as possible. Of all the vegans i have spoken to the attitude seems to be "You do you. Everything helps" It is only the meat eaters that have ever declared me not vegan enough. They seem to find their morals on my behalf and are able to tell me all about the suffering I still allow 😉

Yep I also still have an old leather sofa which I can't afford to just throw out and buy a different one. I also use an old leather purse that was a gift from my mother. We are all just trying to do our best and it's an ever changing journey.

What I do know is by not buying meat and dairy I am reducing the amount of animals that suffer. By throwing out a 12 year leather sofa I don't save any animal.

Why do most people only think of honeybees when saying 'save the bees'?

Domestic honeybees are essentially farmed livestock. They are not a concern ecologically, only for agriculture. And in fact they pollinate a relatively small range of crops and wild flowers.
We really need to be focusing our efforts on saving all the other wild species of pollinators - solitary bees, bumblebees, wasps, hoverflies, moths, flies and many more. THEY are what keep the ecosystem & agriculture going.

Pickledturnip I don’t think there has been vegan bashing on this thread. I think it’s been really interesting and helpful to me working out how I feel about it all. Veganism isn’t for me as I don’t think veganism is always about being ethical and that’s what I’m really interested in so I’m just going to make decisions on products as and when. That might mean not eating animal products. But I’m not going to use the word Vegan as it’s too much of an ideology that I don’t want to sign up for and I think it may have the potential to make me a little blind to other ethical decisions.

www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/10/what-if-the-whole-world-went-vegetarian/

just going to leave this here.

eat what you like in moderation.
eat animal products - save the world
dont eat animal products - save the world.

somethings got to give whatever you do.

"for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"
wrong context for this really, i know, its a law of motion - but the concept is kind of the same. whatever we do, something else will suffer.

My ex DH is a vegan. He says he doesn’t eat honey because it’s an animal product and it has bee wee, bee poo and bee spit in it. 😂