To think that "gay cake row" verdict is a victory for common sense?

[MaxDArnold]

The UK Supreme Court has ruled that a Belfast bakery was not obliged to bake a cake emblazoned with the slogan "support gay marriage" and over turned a £500 damages award over turned on it.

For those unfamiliar with the case more information can be found here.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/10/uk-supreme-court-backs-bakery-that-refused-to-make-gay-wedding-cake

Am I being unreasonable to think that this was absolutely the right call, and a victory for personal and religious freedom? I don't think anybody should be forced to facilitate political slogans which that profoundly disagree with.

Totally agree!

Yes agree! While I would have had no problem making the cake myself, I think in a fair and free society we should have the right to hold different opinions as long as they don't harm anyone.

Yes. I agree.

I don’t know what common sense has to do with it but I agree with the legal ruling despite profoundly disagreeing with the bakers and believing them to be bigoted people.

But if I owned a bakery I wouldn’t make a cake bearing the slogan ‘white pride’, and I wouldn’t make a cake bearing the slogan ‘vote tory’ and I wouldn’t make a cake bearing the slogan ‘fathers for justic’. And so if I am entitled to that freedom, others have to be as well - even if their objections are founded in their own narrow minded, prejudiced unpleasantness.

The law wasn’t the right instrument to resolve this issue. LGBT activism is the way to challenge attitudes like this.

Yes I agree op. A victory for common sense.

There has already been quite a long thread on this which got a bit heated in places. YANBU, because the claims were brought on false pretences. The couple involved were not gay, and the bakers in question did not refuse the sale on the premise that the couple were gay. They merely did not feel comfortable with icing a cake with a slogan they disagreed with. They offered an alternative service which they were comfortable with.

Peter tatchell ?sp made the point that Muslim bakers could be obliged to make cakes with the face of Mohamed on it , which obviously is not allowed in their religion, can't understand why the previous courts thought it was ok. The cake buyer seemed a wind up merchant to me - who would stick that slogan on a cake!!??

Yes. I agree too. And I certainly wouldn't be handing my money to those bakers.

I agree. I hope the suit stops here. Enough money has been spent.

Totlly agree it was the right call!

Yes I agree. I didn't know the full facts until yesterday. I just assumed it was a cake celebrating a gay wedding not displaying a political slogan. It would have set a dreadful precedent if it had been allowed to stand.
And why are they using Bert and Ernie? They weren't gay!

Totally agree. There was no discrimination due to the customers sexual orientation because they had served him before and will continue to serve him, they just refused the cake based on the slogan. They offered to bake a plain cake and provide writing icing for him to ice the slogan himself, but he declined.

Yanbu.
Some people think Christians are an easy target, I’d like to see him try his luck in a Muslim bakery.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3390329-To-think-that-the-Christian-bakery-case-has-potentially-created-a-dangerous-precedent?

Agreed OP.

I live in NI and I think a lot of the UK reports don’t take into consideration the nuances of society here either. Free speech is what protects a graphic designer/printer/ baker on the Falls or Shankill from being pressed into providing a service which promotes a message of “Fuck the Pope/Queen”.

I would have been interested in seeing how the funds the Equality Commission spent on legal fees could have been spent in challenging the ban on same sex marriage.

I agree with the verdict. Thank goodness Free Speech is protected somewhere in the UK.

But nobody should disagree with that slogan,nobody at all. If you disagree with it you are homophobic. If they refused to make a cake saying similar but regards race they'd be racist. Both are vile and should be punished.

Penny that's what I was thinking.

But nobody should disagree with that slogan,nobody at all. If you disagree with it you are homophobic. If they refused to make a cake saying similar but regards race they'd be racist. Both are vile and should be punished.

That is a very very dangerous rabbit hole to go down.

Just because I disagree with the McArthur’s moral beliefs doesn’t mean that I endorse Right Think.

I think it’s really sad that it came to this. Why do people have to be so unpleasant to others. It was a bloody cake and gay couples should be able to marry the same as straight couple without judgement.

It was a bloody cake and gay couples should be able to marry the same as straight couple without judgement.

I agree with you on this. It was still the right decision.

By punishment I meant dealt with in law. There are no place for such views.Casting a blind eye towards those that hold views such as this is far more dangerous.It is saying it’s ok to be against gay marriage, it really isn’t.

The law doesn’t care about people being nice to each other when it comes to free speech.

I agree that it’s an embarrassment to NI and I hate the fact that so many LGB people feel like they’re outsiders in their own country. SSM should absolutely be a priority when Stormont gets their arse into gear.

But let’s not pretend this was a chap who just wanted to buy a cake and was refused service only because he was gay, because that isn’t what happened.

Of course it is ok to be against gay marriage. It's ok to be against whatever you want to be against.

It was about a guy who was refused the cake he wanted because he went to a homophobic baker.