To think we might not be going on holiday next April after all?

[Hoardernomore]

We stupidly booked a holiday to France for about a fortnight after Brexit. I didn’t even consider brexit at the time, I just considered ds’s Easter holidays. It’s to Disneyland Paris and we’ve been waiting to take the children for ages. We’ve only paid the deposit on the hotel (stopping in Disneyland hotel so expensive if we end up not being able to go) but have paid for the flights.

We are idiots.

Would we be best to cut our losses and not pay the balance on the hotel and book for another time?

It's not going to make any difference other than you will no longer queue in the EU passports line. I doubt you will need a visa. We didn't use visas before we joined in the 70s and I don't think we will need them afterwards.

jillb55
Speaking as somebody who only got an EU passport in the last few years, queuing to ENTER THE EU is a three to four hour process

Brits who think it will be simple because it was before 1975 are utterly deluded

We didn't use visas before we joined in the 70s and I don't think we will need them afterwards.

Not entirely true. Visas were required to enter all of the countries East of the Iron Curtain such as Poland and Hungary. Some EU countries didn't exist as independent states when the UK joined - Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, Latvia etc. - so the UK cannot go back to the pre-1970 arrangements.

I needed a visa to enter France between 1985 and 1992
so I did not go - as it was too much faff

Europeans will not bother with the eye watering cost of UK visas (£350 and up)
and the EU would be mad to put up with drunken Brits on their beaches for a lower fee

It's not going to make any difference other than you will no longer queue in the EU passports line

Jill have you read anything about the subject at all, ever?

@Jeanclaudejackety - Yes because we should strive to be like Ireland. I'd love to be a woman there. NOT.

More ignorance on display.

I presume your comment is in relation to abortion? Whether a country provides abortion is not necessarily the most appropriate yardstick to measure women's rights. Abortion was fudged for years due to the ease of travelling to England.

Life for women in Ireland is generally very good. In most ways it is no different to any other European country in terms of rights and equality.

Ireland allowed universal franchise before the UK. Ireland elected the first woman to the house of commons. Marital rape was outlawed in Ireland before it was outlawed in UK. Civil partnership was available to heterosexual couples in Ireland before the UK etc. That doesn't mean life is generally worse for women in the UK.

The UK could definitely take a leaf out of Ireland's book in terms of planning for brexit and a recognition of the reality of your place in the world. Many Britons seem to be under the illusion that your status is the same as when you had an empire.

Blah blah blah.

Do mumsnet Brexit threads have a wide enough audience to make it worthwhile?
Actually yes. And the bots have been in MN for a while too.

Worth remembering that all sorts of people read MN and thé Brexit threads, incl journalists for example....

I'm Scottish, I definitely know my place. Above Ireland.

jean as a fellow Scot, sit doon her your embarrassing yer self

Looool

Slagging off Ireland is rather irrelevant to the key point that

Every poster on this thread should be contacting their MP to demand that a deal (of some sort) is found.
If there is a deal then the OP will get her holiday.

If there is not, she may not.

It is as simple as that.

The bots were evident during the referendum and also during the US election.

Brexit was funded by Putin.
He has a vested interest in destabilising the Western Alliance.
One of Putin's cronies lent Aaron Banks the money that was used.
Putin's trolls and bots are all over the Brexit posts
and Trump for that matter.

I do wish that the "it will be fine" brigade would look for proper evidence to support their view
rather than just being reactionary

Trump has a vested interest too in our NHS, energy markets and in our food business wanting to sell hormone laden meat and chlorine chicken in the UK market.

Sorry I’m ignorant about cyber propaganda. Are computers somehow programmed to write posts or are people paid to write stuff by Putin and Trump?

@Jeanclaudejackety - Blah blah blah.

Amazing level of intellectual debate.

Dapplegrey
Are computers somehow programmed to write posts or are people paid to write stuff by Putin and Trump?
You need to read up
Around 40% of all tweets are computer generated
as are chunks of posts on ALL current affairs topics on ALL sites
as are the voices on most "call centres"
AI is ubiquitous and utterly uncontrolled

Every poster on this thread should be contacting their MP to demand that a deal (of some sort) is found.
If there is a deal then the OP will get her holiday

Boris is my mp....

Muddling
Even more reason.
If 1000 people bothered to contact him, on the 1:20 activism rule
he would be SHITTING himself

UKIP were the 1:20 and they drove the whole shambles
time for the 19:20 to start to shout

just because your MP is a muppet / a moron / the speaker
is NOT a reason to accept insanity
SHOUT
keep shouting

So very sorry to hear that muddling. OTOH, maybe you could write to his opponent instead? Didn't he lose about half his majority last election?

Hi Hoardernomore - check the small print on your Disney booking. We have returned from Disneyland Paris today after 5 days, however we were supposed to travel on 18th Sept until 22 Sept and realised the day before we’d lost my daughter’s passport. Disney were amazing and despite it being the day before travel they let us move the holiday providing the new holiday didnt cost less than the original and then they waivered any admin fee as long as we bought a PhotoPass for a discounted price of £35! We did have to pay an admin fee per person and the difference for the new flights with AirFrance but was a lot cheaper than totally losing our holiday.

We didn't use visas before we joined in the 70s and I don't think we will need them afterwards.

A silly argument. At one time we could travel to W Europe on a British visitors passport purchased via the Post Office. At one time we didn't have restrictions on taking liquids in hand luggage and putting liquids of less than 100ml in plastic bags if we did want to carry them on.

So why on earth, just because we used to do something, 45 years ago, should we assume that it will go back to being like that? The World Has Changed.

Boris is my mp....

We've got bloody Zac Goldsmith so I feel your pain.

My son's school organized their ski trip to leave on March 30th. We are taking a huge risk by having put down the deposit. I think they are batshit crazy tbh.
The OP's question comes from a rather selfish place* (totally fine btw), but if you think about the bigger picture and "not just a holiday" it is scary as hell.
We are EU nationals who have been living here for many years. For us it's not just a holiday, but the fact that if I visit my parents will i be able to come back home? Because I thought (still try to think) this is my home. Will my son be able to come back from the ski trip? I'm not scaremongering, but if there are no answers, then these are valid questions.

Related to the OP's question: We will only pay the outstanding amount once we have had a talk with the tour operator and in writing about what will happen A: to our kid (how will he come back, what assurances will they give) B: in case of dropping out without a deal, we'll get our money back.
We travel a lot in Europe (11 countries this year), but I have not booked anything past march. I can easily travel within the EU (with the EU passport), but before I go anywhere I need to know that I can come back.

To be fair if this shit (brexit, I mean) was only about visa and travel I wouldn't be bothered. But this is just the surface. It's about much more. It's about what products will be available on the shelves, how much will our money be worth, can we make enough money to live on, andsoforth.....
I don't think we know to what extent we are relying on imported goods. (I sure don't exactly) Great that we can fall back to pre-EU agreements...but FFS those are 40+ year old ones! And for loads of things there's nothing to fall back to.
I am truly outraged that after moving from one country in my life (our willing and happy choice) we are now forced to make plans for what if scenarios that we thought we left behind.
BTW... those saying it'll be fine even in case off no deal brexit.. have you thought about the following: All talks/trade deals/... can only be started AFTER the UK leaves the EU, as technically the UK will become a sole partner at that point. Until then the UK can only do provisional meetings, talks, but nothing legal. And even these preparatory things do not seem to be happening. And all of this takes time, even if all parties are happy with what they need to agree on. And it won't be so.
BTW2: at this point the Uk has managed to maneuver itself into a position that any deal they agree to will be worse than it might have been. The Uk is in a very bad negotiating space. The EU's 512 million ppl don't need the UK as bad as we need the market of that 512mil. This whole situations sucks. and the uk (us, common folks) are on the wrong end of the d*ck.

*before I get old off: I am very sympathetic about the holiday, we are in the same situation. And I also think that these "selfish" questions are the ones truly signifying how crazy this is! If things were moving along as they should this shouldn't not be an issue by now. I would have liked to see someone like Churchill at the helm: do what's right for the country and don't give a fuck about party politics or what will happen to him after. On the top, atm, their own personal vanity and idiotism is more important than anything else. They have lost touch with reality long time ago.