To think we might not be going on holiday next April after all?

[Hoardernomore]

We stupidly booked a holiday to France for about a fortnight after Brexit. I didn’t even consider brexit at the time, I just considered ds’s Easter holidays. It’s to Disneyland Paris and we’ve been waiting to take the children for ages. We’ve only paid the deposit on the hotel (stopping in Disneyland hotel so expensive if we end up not being able to go) but have paid for the flights.

We are idiots.

Would we be best to cut our losses and not pay the balance on the hotel and book for another time?

Penguin34 All this reminds me of the Millennium bug

If you're meaning all the hard work that meant that you didn't notice any impact from the Millennium Bug, let me refresh you.....here's roughly what I wrote earlier in this thread.

If lots of people hadn't put in lots of work at the telecoms company I worked for (and also in all the other telecom companies) in preparation (because of lots of legacy systems), then at the Millennium, not only would your phones (both landlines and mobiles) have stopped working, but you wouldn't have been able to get money out of ATMs (they use telecoms links), use credit cards (they use telecoms links), find out your balance even inside bank branches (they use telecoms links), listen to the radio (they use telecoms links for transmission), use the internet (it uses telecom links), watch TV (yes, you've guessed it, it uses telecoms links for transmission).

So yes, just like the Millennium Bug

BTW: if some of these things aren't sorted again , you may well lose TV links, credit card authorisations and mobile and telecom connections with the EU as the UK Government is being very slow to sort some of the legal issues that allow these to operate, like GDPR and data sharing.

@user1467536289
I think the "My European friends see Brexit as (some) in the UK telling the rest of Europe to Fuck-off." was at the height of some agendas.
We have had a 'free movement' policy since joining the EU and we have had massive increases to our social welfare bills. We have seen documentaries made about men who come into the country to take on manual work, and who then become entitled to child benefits, and various other benefits for their families - who have never set foot in this country??! You can search for the footage, it is true. I may be wrong, but I have no references to English families arriving on foriegn doorsteps and automatically becoming eligible for housing benefit, child allowance, NHS treatment etc. If the EU was fairer then we would all move aroun as if we were moving from north to south - we don't. Why is thatt?

We've saved for ten years to book our first holiday abroad, next May. I'm now terrified of what might happen. I'll look forward to spending the next 7 months worrying 😡

Child benefit or its equivalent is available for U.K. citizens in other EU countries. So are other benefits. Systems are different because of -wait for it- sovereignty!
Here is our own government’s advice on how to claim French benefits in France:
www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-france#benefits

We will continue to need the financial input that this tourism affords us, but the rest of the world can manage without the contributions the Brits make to their economies. Really???

Well, yes, user. Britain is a pretty tiny country. A European country with the freedom to trade with the other 26 EU countries plus countries that have trading agreements with the EU probably can manage fine with the UK contribution to its economy.

It's a Democracy, you were outvoted

The problem with democracy lovers who make this sort of declaration is that they seem to be shit-scared of allowing democracy to have its say once the terms for Brexit are known. I wonder why that would be?

@user1467536289
Freedom of movement tends to work pretty well in mainland Europe because it is run as a 'carrot and stick' operation. Everyone has ID cards in some form. Individual countries typically use a 3 month rule and make checks such that if you are not self supporting within the 3 months you are out, and you don't get to use healthcare or benefits.
In Belgium for example you can't get a house/flat or employment without ID. If you were to be employed 'illegally' without the employer checking, they get fined and you leave very sharpish. It's just rules and if you don't break them all is (usually) hunky dory. Since the governments know where you live and work, they can plan hospitals and schools etc. Not sure if they do but I would expect so.
The UK doesn't use ID regularly, and have not bothered implementing anything like a 3 month rule. If they had, none of what you are complaining about would have happened.

We want to book a holiday to Cyprus next June. We went there before Cyprus joined the EU, so it is hard to see it will much different to then, except for not using EHIC to access healthcare.

The travel agreements we had with Cyprus before they joined the EU are dead and buried.

The largest group of tourists in Cyprus are still from the UK at present, I just cannot see the country wanting to decimate their tourist revenue.

But it's not up to Cyprus to decide. How hard can it be to work this out?

With an Italian wife and pretty frequent trips to Italy I too am concerned but it's hard to see it stopping holidays and grounding flights. Disneyland Paris want you there just as much as you want to go. I guess you just might require a visa but even that I doubt and if it happens - and I don't think it will - I'm sure it will just be available on entry so maybe a bit of hassle at the border but nothing to fret over, really.

Please give the British establishment some credit for their foresight

Yerrrss. That would be the British establishment who thought that having a referendum would be absolutely fine, there was no possibility that the British public would be so bloody stupid as to vote for Brexit.

Now I'm really worried.

dustyparadeground, the problem is that Disneyland won't have any power to force the relevant authorities to enter into the required travel and aviation agreements, no matter how much they might be dying to have British tourists visiting.

^Cameron didn't plan anything; Neither did May, until far too late
she put party before country and concentrated on party unity^

And two years on, she's failed at that too. So she might as well have put the country's interests first.

Didn't someone say that Gandhi reluctantly accepted Partition to avoid bloodshed, but he got the bloodshed anyway?

why?
what do you think will happen ?

Doubt if there will be a problem. Do you think Disney and all the other holiday venues will not want our custom. They will be losing out if there is an issue about travelling from UK. Same as we will lose out if they can't come to UK. The health cover may cease but we should all have insurance cover anyway. Fingers crossed I am not burying my head in the sand.

Ah my mistake, as Britain jumps out the aviation and trade agreements it’s had for the last forty years, Disney and other holiday establishments will rapidly set up new and superior international agreements for us. Phew!

Fingers crossed I am not burying my head in the sand

If you ignore serious concerns from senior trade industry specialists- that would be burying your head in the sand surely?

Heathrow has never borrowed money to this extent before.Why would Heathrow airport raise nearly a billion pounds in debt to withstand closure or reduced traffic in the event of no deal?

Why would it's chief executive John Holland-Kaye say it had planned for the equivalent of two full years’ funding?

He said “That gives us a level of financial resilience that means we’re well protected in case of whatever worst-case scenario we can envisage.”

He said he hoped for something close to continuity

BUT “our funding levels . . . mean we are protected. Even if we have no income ( I.e. closed ) for two months, we would be financially safe.”

Why would the head of the UK aerospace industry's trade body (ADS)warn that a no-deal Brexit would ground aircraft made with UK-made parts? He said "No deal is the worst possible outcome.... it's not scare-mongering [to say that] aircraft will not fly."

https://www.ft.com/content/ceb7d6ce-8f55-11e8-bb8f-a6a2f7bca546

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44725606

Disney and Thomas Cook can't negotiate the terms of the UK's withdrawal from the EU.

No more than all those German car manufacturers and Prosecco-makers, who were apparently going to come running with their shiny new trade deals on the 27th June 2016, can.

Although let's face it, we'd probably have been better off with Goofy and Mickey negotiating on our behalf...

We certainly have Stattler and Waldorf on the UK team.

@user1467536289

If British people lack the language skills or aspirations to take advantage of their free movement to go to live in another EU country, then how is that anyone else's fault?
I have lived in EU countries full-time since graduating 10 years ago.
You sound bitter.

I am not sure if we will have insurance cover anyway. My travel insurance is undewritten by the UK office of a Spanish firm. I don't know how that affects it legally. I saw that it had a clause about Government action, so I could easily see it using that to wriggle out of paying a claim.

I should just point out that I meant Italian Prosecco makers - German Prosecco is rubbish

For god sake people. The EU will not become a no go area. Travel will still be possible. The world will not end.
They predicted a global meltdown for Y2K. N-O-T-H-I-N-G H-A-P-P-E-N-E-D.

Roisin hopefully you are right but the point is nobody can say that with any certainty.

They predicted a global meltdown for Y2K. N-O-T-H-I-N-G H-A-P-P-E-N-E-D.

It's like Whack-a-Mole round here these days, innit?

They just keep popping up.

Nice use of hyphens though.

There is no question about not being able to travel to the EU but it will get more expensive and you will most likely need Visas at 7 Euros a time.
There is a fair chance the value of the pound will fall so making everything more expensive.
Nothing happened with Y2K because software engineers and others spent many years and 300 Billion Dollars making sure that nothing would happen.