To think we might not be going on holiday next April after all?

[Hoardernomore]

We stupidly booked a holiday to France for about a fortnight after Brexit. I didn’t even consider brexit at the time, I just considered ds’s Easter holidays. It’s to Disneyland Paris and we’ve been waiting to take the children for ages. We’ve only paid the deposit on the hotel (stopping in Disneyland hotel so expensive if we end up not being able to go) but have paid for the flights.

We are idiots.

Would we be best to cut our losses and not pay the balance on the hotel and book for another time?

Havanananana Fri 05-Oct-18 19:23:30
"There is no system already in place and no personnel available."

Enjoy Bournemouth!!

What would Spain do without the "I doubt that the Spanish Embassy does have the capacity to cope with anything up to 10 million applications a year. " They will do EVERYTHING THEY CAN to ensure that the 10 Million British Tourists can access their country and maintain their economy!" So would we!!
As much as the UK are working to complete a consistent and relational Brexit, the other countries in the EU are desperate to ensure that we will keep on holidaying in their countries!!
We will walk through a different gate to access their country - NON - EU but we can still walk in.

:-)

Some of these posts have a distinct whiff of 'don't they know who we are?' about them. As if things will all magically fall into place and be sorted out for us just because we're British.

Why do some people say we are leaving Europe? Europe is a continent of which the UK is part. We are leaving the European union/common market we will remain Europeans. I had a very interesting chat with one of our European visitors who said that the "normal" people of their country (not politicians ) were watching carefully as they the "normal" people wanted out as well but their government don't. Their leader has a lot to say about a lot of things but seems is not listening to what many in that country want. Fascinating discussion

frankiestein401 Thank you for your knowledge - you obviously were a part of this (as was I) so I am bowing to your expertise and experience of the details.
However - are there any 'frankenstein401's' out there who remember Great Britain before we joined the European Union and who were eligible to vote?
I remember it, but was not able to vote and all of my family members (bar one) are no longer around to ask ?

Omgosh, my eyes are hurting through all the eye rolling they’ve been doing reading this thread. From both sides. Nobody knows anything about what’s going to happen as it has never happened before, the speculation, the theories, the scare mongering and those who believe it will be fine and dandy, all have no clue. You’re all winding each other up!

@Kazzyhoward - There are non EU countries who are part of the Open Skies agreement, so no reason why the UK couldn't be too.

I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall here.

No there isn't any reason why they can't be part of it. But how do you think those countries joined the open skies agreement? They negotiated and agreed a deal.

You can't just announce on 28th March that, as it's a no deal brexit you want to be part of open skies and expect to be part of it the following day. It will take time to agree. In the meantime, you are not part of it.

“Great Britain” didn’t join the “European Union”.

The United Kingdom joined the European Economic Community.

Obviously we are doomed!!

The pessimists of Mumsnet have deemed that our lives are over and we will have no future whether it be in trade, travel, or anything else!

Everyone in the world will continue to visit, holiday and apply for residential status here in the UK but we will be shunned by everywhere else! We will continue to need the financial input that this tourism affords us, but the rest of the world can manage without the contributions the Brits make to their economies. Really???

Talkstotrees

Oh, I can read!!! Can you?

Honestly they aren’t going to stop you going you might need a visa but that not too hard to do just like the ESTA you need for the USA it will be detrimental for Europe if they cut our tourism dead! Plus honestly that’s what travel insurance is for make sure you have that and if you can’t go they will refund you! I wouldn’t worry about it honestly no one knows what’s going to happen but it’s not worth not going on holiday for! The papers are trying to terrify you and it’s clearly working!

IamPickleRick
It's a Democracy, you were outvoted

The majority wanted to leave the EU - and if this transition period is going to be inconvenient, then that's just the way the extraction from the EU Process is going to go.

It will be resolved and it will be the same for us as it is for all non-EU Citizens. Business as usual.

On another thread someone reported that Brits to Spain accounted for about 20% of the tourist trade.
So if NO Brits went, they would be 20% down on last year.
Meanwhile their tourist boards will have been running off brochures in Chinese and Russian, who increasingly have more money to spend.
OK next summer might be a bit of a 'lean' year, but they will survive.

Me and my husband are going to Cyprus a few days before brexit and we come home 3 days after brexit. I'm not really bothered by it what will be will be. Just go on your holiday and enjoy yourself.

bubblegumunicorn

Common sense at last!!!

I was around and of voting age before we joined the EEC (as was). It was nearly 50 years ago, a completely different world. It’s pointless and ridiculous to say “well we can just carry on as we did before we joined”. You may as well say we could go about our lives as we did before the automobile was invented, and walk or invest in a horse.
As for travelling to Europe or other destinations, relatively few people could afford to before the era of cheap air travel. And in the 1970s currency controls meant you were limited in the amount of money you could take out of the country, £50 if I recall correctly. So you couldn’t afford to stay away for long or even do much while you were there.

1tisILeClerc
What have the Chinese done to be forced to holiday in spain?
If flights are grounded so be it. It will be another reason we were right to leave the club who preaches free movement but only if it's on there terms. Many european flights could be grounded too if that was the case imagine the job losses and economic damage done to both sides when airlines go bust overnight.

@user1467536289

Well this remainer fully intends to travel to Europe next year.....However, if the Government that is negotiating our leaving the EU etc publishes what No-Deal means, that a senor ministers are saying it s 60/40 on no deal.... then we should all take notice and plan accordingly.

My European friends see Brexit as (some) in the UK telling the rest of Europe to Fuck-off.

if this transition period is going to be inconvenient, then that's just the way the extraction from the EU Process is going to go.

If there is no deal there is no transition period. A complete crash out of 750 treaties and agreements with nothing to take their place can hardly be described as “inconvenient”.

The ignorance and wilful misunderstanding on this thread is staggering

Thankfully I don’t live in the UK any more and have no plans to travel back next spring

There will be visa free travel for up to 90 days. No more free movement to stay as long as you like. Passport stamped on arrival and departure to ensure you did not overstay your welcome.

Might mean more border security guards, but machines are doing a lot of that at the moment anyway now. So you place your passport in the machine on the way in and out, and if you overstay you are arrested on the way out lol. No new technology or major staffing required to monitor this, an alarm will sound and you will be questioned!.

I should be in charge ahem.

@Yabbadabbo2

You are talking rubbish, how the heck do you expect the UK to be part of EU associations and agencies that we helped form, if we leave the EU?

T.May has spent 2 years negotiating with her party instead of the EU, that is why we are in this state of uncertainty.

If you stop paying your home insurance, would you still expect to be covered? don't answer that, i suspect you would !

Well, it looks like everyone involved in the Aviation Industry - UK, EU and Global - including member state aviation authorities are very keen to negotiate - given that everyone involved will be affected.

Unfortunately The Commission have decided that ESAU can't negotiate until The Brexit Deal has progressed. This information was presented on BBC R4 this morning, but has been available for at least a week.

So, it's not just a matter of head in sand it will be fine - there's many with their head out of the sand ensuring the world as we know it will still turn.

No government nor even the Commission if they are listening to their member states want a no fly zone to and from the UK. The impacts on EU member state airlines who fly any aircraft with UK certificate maintenance or crew will be grounded too.

I know from previous posting that pointing out facts based on knowledge and experience of the Aviation industry itself is not well received on MN - it's all just a "fucking shitshow" being the main 'view' which overarches all facts that counter that view.

Just really trying to reassure those that think they'll only be able to caravan in Skeggy or yurt in Wales for their hols for ever more.

{Yabbadabbo2}
You obviously don't get it really. The UK is leaving. This means with 'No deal' all UK airports and ferry terminals, excepting those to Northern Ireland from the UK will close.
Everybody else on the planet will carry on as usual. Airport terminals in Europe will have more seats empty and the cafe's less full as passengers to/from the UK won't be there. Airplanes cross channel ferries and their crews will stay at home.

What have the Chinese done to be forced to holiday in spain?

Well they have shedloads of money to spend (on average 4 times as much as other visitors) and an interest in history and culture as opposed to beer and beaches.

user I can remember before we joined the then Common Market - I voted Remain in the 1975 referendum.

It was a totally different world, that has not stayed frozen in time for us to rejoin
It's like me, at 62, thinking I can go back to when I was 18 and voting in that ref.
You can never go back.

Of course, in time the Uk and E27 will recreate some of the complex web of connections we currently have and create workarounds.
Some of that won't be ready within the next 6 months

Probably nothing will be ready that requires changes to IT systems

• certainly nothing requiring totally new IT, because there is insufficient time to put it out to tender, to source, to scope, to code and finally to test

When it comes to negotiate trade deals: FTAs typically take 5-15 years to negotiate
Unless Trump says "bend over" and Liam Fox - on behalf of the UK - says "yes, please"