To ask you: All In or All Out?

[Quietrebel]

All seems to indicate that it's now crunch time for the UK. In the style of another active thread, I'd like to ask you all what you'd go for if given a binary choice between No Deal at all with the EU or Remain.
No blame game or mud slinging, just simple polite answers please.

Geraldine yes we were somewhat self sufficient during WW2 we had rationing. I’m not sure why you think that’s a good thing?

That’s a brilliant word, haven’t heard it for years

It’s a smasher isn’t it? I also favour “ghastly” and “jape” for underused words

Remain

Jacques yes! I love them too. Maybe we should start a campaign to bring them back into common usage

In light of this thread, may I add nincompoop too?

Hi all,

We've deleted a string of PAs and can see the thread's rather derailed. It would be great if we could draw a line under this now and get the thread back on track, as we don't want to have to delete it.

Thanks all

Geraldine170 Please stoppit!

Lots of people disagree with me for my pro Brexit views but am I complaining? We are all entitled to a viewpoint, Geraldine. This pure nastiness is unnecessary, unkind and counter-productive.

The poll was so long ago that a million of those in the 1.7% victory margin for leave are no longer with us. The remaining 7% has now swung to remain with a bit left over.

It's an out of date mandate. The world has changed.

Regular elections give us a chance to change our minds. That's sovereignty.

Remain. I was 100% when I voted last time and I still am.

We were never self sufficient, in either world war. In both cases we relied on shipping to bring in food. Read the history.

The UK was nowhere near self sufficient in food during WW2 - in 1940 70% of the UK’s food was imported (much of this came from the Empire). The UK was heavily dependent on food shipped from North America.

YeTalkShiteHen

I’m IN!! “Nincompoop” is particularly evocative.

Geraldine
Assuming you went to school, why are you not earning a decent wage, which for some reason 'entitles' you to be so unpleasant to others?
There is nothing actually stopping anyone from earning. The world does not 'owe' you a living, you have to do something for others.
Fruit and veg picking, £8 an hour, as a starter.
The Eastern Europeans who come across to do these sorts of jobs have to leave their families behind for months, but they do it to keep their family.
In WW2, why do you think so many merchant seamen died in their efforts to bring food from the USA if the UK was anything like self sufficient. Across Europe hundreds of thousands died of starvation, including in Germany. Around 20 Million Russians died of either starvation of simply freezing to death, or being shot.

Regular elections give us a chance to change our minds. That's sovereignty

I think this needs to be on billboards!

I’d welcome a second vote, happily.

I’m aware Brexit going through will probably push Scottish independence, which I’m in favour of. But the risks are too high to chance Brexit going ahead, even if it did mean getting independence from the U.K.

JacquesHammer I’m off to find more lesser used but bloody brilliant words

I’m also aware that even if Scotland got independence, it would leave England and Wales and potentially NI fucked, which isn’t something I’d like to see.

The referendum was rigged.

Yetalkshitehen

I see Scotland independence and possibly NI too. Gibraltar are a bit stuck unless they want to join Spain or also go independent.

And I don't blame any of them abandoning us to this mess Geraldine and her friends have created.

I wouldn't blame the Scots either. In fact, I'd probably head up there if they rejoined the EU. The Yes vote was misled by WM who told them that leaving the union also meant leaving the EU. The irony.

Even in WW1, Britain was in its knees due to shipping being sunk. We sent emissaries to Argentina to buy up their entire grain harvest. A large part of that ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

*on its knees

I wouldn't blame the Scots either. In fact, I'd probably head up there if they rejoined the EU

More than welcome, anyone who wants to! There’s a movement on Twitter where if anyone wants to move to Scotland in the event of Indy, we respond with a gif saying come on up, the kettle’s on!

I am beyond raging that Better Together won the referendum on the tag line “it’s the only guarantee of remaining in the EU” and they KNEW this was coming.

I do want Scottish independence, but not at the expense of the rest of the UK being completely fucked over, that wouldn’t be fair or right at all.

I am looking forward to my blue passport cos I like blue and will give me access to much fewer countries without a visa.

I am looking forward to NHS waiting times changing because all the immigrants have gone home or been deported by the efficiency of the Home Office.

I am looking forward to be being on WTO terms so we can pay huge tariffs on food and drugs for the NHS because this will improve my life no end.

I am looking forward to operation portaloo - where all the motorways in Kent are lined with toilets. The government already have it planned.

I am looking forward to taking all my holidays in Wales and Scotland because the pound is so weak and flights are too expensive and every other fucker is in a jam on the way to Devon and Cornwall to find 10 minutes of sun.

If I do manage to save for a week in Spain, I look forward to the speedy uk only lane on my return. Shame we'll have to wait so long at arrivals in Barcelona and got all those extra security checks. And don't forget your international driving licence to hire a car! And your extensive hugely more expensive travel insurance.

I am looking forward to no houses being build in my area for years as there is a lack of skilled builders out there to work out building sites. This will help the housing crisis enormously. Of course we could get a kid straight out school to be a site foreman or a safety adviser to speed things up for a few years but I'm not really thinking that's a good idea.

I am looking forward to social care collapsing completely as there are not enough carers for the aging population now all the unskilled labour has gone home. This will mean unpaid job opportunities for female relatives to look after their mothers in law.

I am glad that plans to have skilled immigration only for people earning £50000 or more have been well thought out and considered. This will benefit us all hugely with getting labour in the fields to get our British crops. Job seekers will be shipped from the Welsh valleys to the Oxfordshire countryside for three months at a time before they can go back home to spend time with their kids. Single parent? Give your kid to your mother you lazy benefit scrounger.

I look forward to the closure of more pound shops unable to buy stock and sell it on for a profit at a pound. I think a rebrand for others may be on the way. I might buy up twopoundland.co.uk or even fancyafiverdeals.co.uk. Brexit business opportunities you see.

Of course I will feel all the benefit in 20 or 30 years time when I'd be hoping I'd be hitting retirement age. I hope that DHs pension loses in the short term will reverse.

The Brexit benefits we already know about - and aren't speculation - but are already happening or confirmed as policy.

This is reality, not project fear.

I could do a whole other post on that.

I think the government's plan to tackle obesity through doing everything possible after a particular bad harvest, asking businesses to stock pile food and then falling back on WTO terms with 30% tariffs on milk (for starters) and an inability to import much at all because of customs being grid locked (meaning even non EU imports are also affected) and lorries sat in queues rather than moving anything is my particular favourite.

The Sunning Uplands and £350 million for the NHS (which won't even cover the additional WTO tariffs) look fucking cracking.

Oh yes but we'll have sovereignty back and won't have to do what an elected group which we are part of and help set the rules tell us to do.

Pity we'll have to surrender that, and play by the rules of the unelected WTO who Trump is trying to take over and destroy instead.

God save our gracious queen...

Oh fuck

Oh, say! can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming;
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there:
Oh, say! does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free

Yippeee!!!

Good news about the wheat harvest in Argentina this year:
www.reuters.com/article/us-argentina-wheat-analysis/bumper-wheat-harvest-may-ignite-argentina-economy-idUSKBN1KA0DJ?il=0
Bad news about Argentina’s opinion about our proposed WTO tariffs:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/25/resistance-to-joint-proposal-to-wto-leaves-uk-and-eu-divided-us-australi-reject-brexit-trade-plan

YeTalkShiteHen
The OED has around 750,000 words, so there must be a few choice ones in there.
I think I worked out that if you learn 10 new words a day, you get somewhere near the whole lot in a full lifetime.
RTB
{where all the motorways in Kent are lined with toilets.} I thought they have only ordered one and that there will be a half mile queue to use it.

Borntobe
Some of the harvest in Europe was hit by the drought so thank goodness they have trade deals with Argentina. Shame the UK may well be out of it and so back of the queue.