To ask you: All In or All Out?

[Quietrebel]

All seems to indicate that it's now crunch time for the UK. In the style of another active thread, I'd like to ask you all what you'd go for if given a binary choice between No Deal at all with the EU or Remain.
No blame game or mud slinging, just simple polite answers please.

Remoaners predicted far more gloom and doom than we've experienced
drop in the pound, >2% loss in gdp growth (ie nearly three times our eu contribution of 0.7%), drop from 5th to 7th largest economy

• all despite the bank of england's interventions

and we have not left yet - we've had almost a decade of austerity, leaving will extend this for another 10-15 years, that'll be a generation that has only known austerity.

So... Geraldine. You think it is a metropolitan elite who is complaining about Brexit, and the non-middle class workers have it right?

First off - thanks for using that there broad brush to coat us all the same. You seem to be suggesting that if we do research (i.e. use our brains) and look at the facts, then we must be middle class? Nice going.

For what it is worth, the IFS report, mentioned in the below link (www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/working-class-men-who-voted-15236419) confirms that it is working class men who will be most affected by Brexit.

So... yes I am remain. I am remain based on considered opinion of people who make their lives out of assessing these sort of things professionally (sort of, you know, like listening to a doctor when you are ill... after all, Julie from the hair dressers, her sister recovered from cancer by going fruitarian). Could they be wrong? Absolutely - and truth to tell, I would be very very happy for them to be wrong. However, the preponderance of evidence suggest that they may well be right.

There is so much to say about your arrogant assumption of my middle class privilege, but I think it best I go no further.

Do you not see the hypocrisy of saying we’re dependent on the EU at the same time as trapping off about how much EU farmers sell here!

Er, we are dependent on them because those farmers sell food.

Never mind Geraldine, you’ve got a lovely big chip on your shoulder to nibble on when you get hungry

Umm I’m not sure where you have got your information from.

The 70’s were awful. We were the known as the sick man of Europe. We had mass strikes the winter of discontent. There was no minimum wage no limit to weekly working hours it was a very bad time in our history.

The EU will not be turning any road into a car park that will be the fault of our government. There is no reason why they should allow us free trade now we have spat the dummy and shown ourselves to be so nasty and bigoted.

Please tell me where we are going to get nurses to fill the hospital vacancies when we have to go abroad to seek to fill them already.

You say it’s a betrayal of the working classes. It’s not the people who work that want rid of the EU it’s the super rich like Rees Mogg who has already moved his company to Dublin Dyson -India Wetherspoons who say it will be wonderful but have already put their prices up.

Sadly your ‘working classes’ that will be betrayed have already been betrayed by Farage and the rest. Talking to quitters is like taking to flat earthers dinosaur deniers and all the other conspiracy theorists.

are you that moronic you genuinely believe that pre-1974 the U.K. was a barren foodless famine hit wasteland until the EU rescued us?

Half of the UK’s food is imported - 30% comes from the EU and 11% from other countries under EU trade deals. No Deal would result in an average 22% tariff on food imports as well as non tariff barriers.

UK food security has declined significantly since the 1980s. The UK can’t just “grow more” (which requires time, investment, significant impacts to landscape and is impossible for some food stuffs) and there is no evidence to suggest that the 20% of food imported from outwith the EU can be expanded.

1 in 5 UK households are already either in or on the margins of food poverty, and will either have to buy less food or cheap low nutrition food.

But hey, facts.

Remain.

Is tinned food a made up thing you lying, dishonest....

Finish that sentence. Go on, you know you want to.

I wasn’t born in the 70s but I’ve asked my Dad what it was like and he said it was bad. He also says this is worse, and he is not a man given to exaggeration or using words meaninglessly.

He is financially well off, he’s old and poorly, and he’s scared shitless of what is to come. He knows politics inside out, he even ran for general elections when I was small, he was a PPE teacher in the 80s and has always been heavily involved in politics.

He doesn’t show fear, he doesn’t get emotional, but this has scared him. Because as he said, the majority fell for a lie, based on nothing and substantiated by nothing.

Northern Ireland is for him the biggest worry, because he lost a friend in the Troubles, and he fears a return to those days for the people of NI and immediately over the border in Ireland.

That leavers are now talking about surviving is really interesting. Surviving? A year ago it was to be a brave new world. But now survival is the aim?

Remain.

No I deliberately didn’t finish that sentence because I knew it would give you ammunition. But you know it’s true.

Geraldine170 resorting to insults and being offensive really does prove you have absolutely nothing of substance to say.

It’s amusing me greatly seeing you frothing and getting increasingly defensive as reality sets in and you realise your mistake.

I hope that the day it all becomes apparent, you remember your hubris.

You’ll have nobody to blame but yourself.

Had Marie Antoinette said “ Let them eat salad” she would have at least been promoting a healthier diet among the sans culottes and so the French Revolution might have been avoided, then the Napoleonic Wars, then the Franco-Prussian wars, then WW1, then WW2, then the EU ans so we would not have Brexit

Whinging on and one about your inability to convince other people to vote with you and I am the one with a chip on my shoulder?

I’m not whinging, I’m incredulous that people fell for it.

But then, Trump got in, and so did the DUP so the intelligence of voters is pretty well shown by that.

It’s not just food being imported that’s a concern. The food industry in the U.K. relies on EU workers. 90% of the staff in the factory I work in are from the EU. It’s already getting harder to find people willing to work. Post Brexit we are really concerned.

Not only angry but head on back to front.
Food imported from Europe is specifically ordered, it isn't simply taken to the UK without having a buyer already identified.
the EU ports have been forced to lay out hundreds of Millions to expand port capacity and recruit thousands of customs officials.
The good people of Holland have seen their tax bill increase by £400 a head just so that the UK can be an arse. I bet they are really happy about it.
Poverty in the UK is ENTIRELY down to UK, sovereign incompetence/stupidity/hatred of 'lower class'. As (previously) one of the wealthiest nations (now falling rapidly), there was plenty of money within the UK for a great lifestyle for all. If you want to be angry, direct it at the politicians who have mismanaged the UK so badly, possibly since WW2.

Remain

They are also dependent on us as a market for us for that produce aren’t they?

We are a market for them. But each country in the EU will have 26 others to sell into when the UK leaves. Plus all the others with which they already have trade deals.

Basic maths suggests that we are not in a good position, food-wise.

But carry on calling people bitches for pointing that out, by all means.

It’s a site stuffed full of the Lady Nugees or this world You might have a point.

No I deliberately didn’t finish that sentence because I knew it would give you ammunition. But you know it’s true.

What's true?

That I'm a lying, dishonest something-or-other because I asked a simple question?

OK.

Geraldine170

The EU accounts for more than 40% of all our trade and is the largest economic partner.

The UK only accounts for 7% of EU trade and is a minor partner.

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7851/CBP-7851.pdf

While no deal would be bad for both it would be substantially worse for the UK.

Agriculture in both the EU and UK is a tiny part of the economy, around 1% data.worldbank.org/indicator/nv.agr.totl.zs

You’re whinging because your rich Daddy whose wealthy insulates you from any real worries is vaguely concerned about the EU long term? You selfish lying hypocritical monster. You disgust me.

Er he’s rich, I’m not. What planet are you on that you think my Dad’s money is anything to do with me? It’s not. None of it will be coming to me either.

Your fury is very very funny.

Because you’re angry with the wrong people. You should be angry with the absolutely brain dead people who voted for something which is going to bring this country to its knees.

But that would mean a) understanding politics b) realising that you are one of those people and c) that not only were and are you wrong, but you are exactly the kind of person who is going to be hit hardest.

Hoist by your own petard, and you’re still so busy being angry with everyone else that you can’t see it.

See the day reality finally does bite, remember this thread.

We are a market for them. But each country in the EU will have 26 others to sell into when the UK leaves. Plus all the others with which they already have trade deals.

Basic maths suggests that we are not in a good position, food-wise.

Can you explain how an EU population who are already overweight and over eat can make up the financial shortfall of the fattest most prone to over eating nation ceasing to be a reliable customer for their farmers without issue?

But carry on calling people bitches for pointing that out, by all means

Well I suspect that sort of behaviour is impossible without wilful dishonesty from women who are er, wilfully dishonest lying bitches. HTH. Xxx 💋

I’d rather be a bitch than a turkey that voted for Christmas

Complaining about being skint now, pal you are about to find out what skint really means. Because if you think it’s not going to get worse, you really need to get off MN and do some research, make some plans and try and save some money.

For a start the internet won’t work if you haven’t paid the bill.

Oh wait, maybe that’s an advantage of Brexit! There’s got to be one eh?