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I will never change my opinion that transwomen are women

What is your definition of a transwoman and what is your definition of a woman? In order to have the opinion that transwomen are women you must have clearly defined parameters on these in your head?

What's the difference between a transwoman and an autogynophile? Are there clear definitions of the two?

When you say self-id what do you mean? Who can and cannot self id, where is the line?

I'm really not asking these questions to goad or 'demand that you debate my way', I just personally feel like these questions are the foundations to any discussion on this.

The first if you've never noticed it I don't know why you go into such a long diatribe arguing with me. I've noticed something you haven't, but instead of saying you simply haven't noticed it (how long have you been here??) you go off on one. I don't think I'm "queen of the feminists", but I know I AM one. The only people I've ever met in my life who would tell me I'm not are on the MN FWR boards. Many of them have said themselves they are recently converted to feminism. This is my actual experience. If you'd like to tell me that because you haven't seen it it doesn't happen then I can send you the threads.

You said it was sad and backwards-thinking that we wanted to avoid "feminists".

I pointed out that far from avoiding feminists we were actually giving ourselves somewhere we felt we could engage with feminists. Feminists such as each other. And I backed that up.

If you think that's me crowning myself queen of the feminists your logic is very twisted indeed.

@ThisIsTheFirstStep I'm doing exactly as you suggest. I don't like it, I'm not going there. I'm merely explaining why, as I was asked to do.

No, the liberal feminist board suggestion was rejected. And in my opinion, what happens on FWR is not standing up for women's rights because it doesn't include transwomen. It is bigotry. Again, that illustrates the fundamental difference.

I'm really not asking these questions to goad or 'demand that you debate my way', I just personally feel like these questions are the foundations to any discussion on this.

They are. Understanding what people mean when they use words is critical to language. Agreeing with their use of them isn't obligatory.

Do you know who opposed the "Liberal feminism" section most vehemently?

Radical feminists!!!

And in my opinion, what happens on FWR is not standing up for women's rights because it doesn't include transwomen.

Your valid opinion hinges on a belief statement that you can't back up in any sort of reasoned way other than it's what you personally feel. It's not surprising you don't like FWR.

peach so ask mumsnet again. Or go on there and start threads. Since so many people seem to be against the FWR board, it shouldn't be hard to create a discussion.

So I'd say this was posted specifically to inflame discussion.

Plus AIBU is an odd place to put this "technical" discussion. Especially when one then feels that no one dissenting should post on it.

Be the change you want to see instead of moaning about how it's not to your liking.

Ooh, ooh, I did that!

It was the single most depressing experience of my life and more than once took me to a place emotionally that I didn't want to go. I was teased with memes, called names, called a paedophile for pointing out that "adult" has more than one meaning (as does "woman" - a biological meaning, a legal one and a social one), bitched about behind my back on threads I wasn't even commenting on, the list goes on.

rat I honestly don't even understand what you're trying to say.

Okay, not THE most depressing experience, but it wasn't exactly super fun times.

Understanding what people mean when they use words is critical to language.

Yes, especially when policies and laws are being based upon the meanings of those words.

rat obviously if someone calls you a paedophile, report it.

But you were teased with memes? I mean, come on. If that's the worst thing that happened to you today, you had a better day than me.

I've already defined what I believe a woman is.

If you can't tell the difference between a transwoman (someone who was born in a male body but identifies as a woman) and an autogynophile (a man who dresses/behaves as a woman some of the time for sexual gratification) I'm concerned that you haven't really done your research.

I fundamentally support the concept of self-ID in that I believe gender identity is self-defined and it should be made easier for transpeople to live and legally identify as their gender, but I also believe safeguards are needed in specific areas, including but not limited to sport, prisons, shelters and education. I'm well aware that some transpeople would disagree with me and I'm happy to discuss that with them. I am not willing to debate the subject with people who don't believe transwomen are women because we have fundamentally different viewpoints which means we will never agree and it's just a waste of both our time and energy.

peach so what's the problem? You don't want to debate, but...you...what...want to debate, but you will never change your mind, so...I don't get the problem tbh.

@RatRolyPoly I think what they can't comprehend is that for us, it is genuinely upsetting and hurtful to encounter transphobia. For me, it has a negative impact on my mental health, and that's why I have hidden the FWR board and why I rarely engage with this debate (and am regretting doing so here!). Nothing to do with not being able to "fight my corner" but not being willing to sacrifice my mental wellbeing to fruitlessly debate with an echo chamber. And I'm sure I'll be mocked for that, but it's the truth.

If you can't tell the difference between a transwoman (someone who was born in a male body but identifies as a woman) and an autogynophile (a man who dresses/behaves as a woman some of the time for sexual gratification) I'm concerned that you haven't really done your research.

Stonewall can't tell so you're expecting quite a lot of gender critical feminists.

What's the material difference?

@ThisIsTheFirstStep You asked why we were hiding the FWR boards. I explained. That's it.

but I also believe safeguards are needed in specific areas, including but not limited to sport, prisons, shelters and education

How do you propose that would work? Given that you don't support the current process?

rat I honestly don't even understand what you're trying to say

How How can you not, now I don't understand as she is being perfectly clear!
I read it that if you do put forward your views, go against the tide, post your feminism etc, the name calling and deriding is ridiculous.
I know where she's coming from as I've been called a bloke on here many times and dismissed with ridicule so it's not a huge leap to see that it's obviously happening to others which is WHY THEY WANT TO HIDE THE BOARD!

Your valid opinion hinges on a belief statement that you can't back up in any sort of reasoned way other than it's what you personally feel.

In what way? I've defined woman, I've explained why that includes transwomen. How is that any less valid than your opinion?

If you can't tell the difference between a transwoman (someone who was born in a male body but identifies as a woman) and an autogynophile (a man who dresses/behaves as a woman some of the time for sexual gratification) I'm concerned that you haven't really done your research.

But 'cross dressers' are included under the Stonewall umbrella of transgenderism. Pips Bunce would come under the umbrella of trans, and has won awards for 'females in business'.

And you are only going on the word of the person telling you: they might say they are a man who identifies as a woman but they are actually an autogynophile who is getting a kick out out of it? How can you tell? Especially with the push to get rid of rhetoric around 'gender dysphoria' because 'being trans isn't a mental illness?

Then just hide it? It's easy, now you know how. Don't go on and on and on about how terrible other women on MN are and sneer at them behind their backs on a public board and then not expect any pushback.

Nothing to do with not being able to "fight my corner" but not being willing to sacrifice my mental wellbeing to fruitlessly debate with an echo chamber. And I'm sure I'll be mocked for that, but it's the truth.

Get the negatively impacting mental health bit with MN sometimes, bully for some if they have never experienced that.