To think there should be an approval process to allow parents to HE?

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Children's education matters, it is incredibly important and affects the rest of their life. I think it is fine for parents to Home Educate, but I think there should be an approval process before parents can HE. This will check the parents are actually capable of doing this.

Schools are also struggling as getting a dx in this country for Sen can be a pain in the butt too. I’m now at 30 months since I started to try to get answers and medical services are still batting us around.

Even when there is a diagnosis support is not forthcoming.

I have 2 children with significant SEN, the council are not putting the right support in place.

I have just been quoted between £8- £10 K PER CHILD for legal support in getting the right education provided in school by the LEA.

This is patently unfair. People can't afford it and accept that there is no alternative but to withdraw and homeschool.

It is criminal what is being done to SEN families, as I said before ANY FUNDING should be put into addressing this problem not to paying for a system of registration for home schoolers.

This isn’t always the case. Some of mine read earlier and one later than typical school age.

Hence inclusion of the word 'most'.

Can learn to read, yes. I said most children will naturally learn to read later than CSA. Without being force fed phonics etc. Point being, home educated kids not reading fully at 7 isn't the same portent of doom that a schooled child not reading would be.

no I don’t think so. I think you inform school you are deregistering (so the LA doesn’t fund them for your child) and go on your merry way.

I haven't known, or heard of, an LA in recent years not to have made contact after being notified by the school (as they are required to do).

I disagree that children naturally learn to read later and have to be force fed phonics to learn earlier. To be perfectly honest, I think the current phonics system makes things a lot more complicated than they need to be and I was glad my children could already read when they went to school so they didn’t have to use that method.

When you deregister a child from school they inform the L.A.

The L.A. should then take reasonable steps to ensure that an appropriate full time education is being provided. I also do not know anyone who has not been contacted

They also have to take action if they suspect any child is not recieving an adequate education.

That is the current law.

People who have never sent their children to school do not have to inform anyone but L.A. can still take action if they believe a child is not recieving an education.

Many people are referred by friends and neighbours when they have concerns.

The reason HE people take exception to greater monitoring is the fact all the provision required exists currently. And works at least as well as schools - and arguable better - at providing education and safeguarding all the children they include. So neither work perfectly all the time and some children unfortunately fall through the net but in slightly greater proportion amongst the schooled population

Tomorrowillbeachicken

Ds is at college and just got a distinction in his first exam there.

This is a child that his primary school said needed to go to the school for children who had severe learning difficulties that would affect them for the rest of their life.

I think there is a thinking by those that don't HE that a HE child has to be taught the "curriculum". Maths English History Science etc but actually as long as your child is being educated in something. There is no restrictions.

You could spend all day everyday teaching your child to be a concert pianist and they would be receiving an education.

Sorry missed out what I wanted to say and that is I have been after a dyslexia/dysgraphia diagnosis since ds was 7 and I have yet to get one.

Who requires the local authority to do what?

The school is required to notify the LA, by law. The LA usually contacts the new home educator - I haven't heard of anyone in the home ed. community who hasn't received contact and enquiries, written or otherwise, as to their plans for their educational provision. The more laissex faire LAs might 'let' you send an ed. phil alone.

I'm not sure why you're nit-picking. Do I have to put inverted commas around everything Are you a home educator? I mixed you up with a long-time home educator from here (similar name) who you're clearly not.

The education act states that the parents are responsible for the child’s education not the state.
I find it ironic how a parent can be fined for taking a child out of school for an educational holiday despite the responsibility lying with them according to the education act and yet if a parent deregistered a child from education, they can join back at any time.

Effectively, if parent wanted, they can deregister them from the schools and remove them from school in the June and then put them back in school in September.

I think it definitely should be more regulated, And more checks made simply to ensure the welfare of the child and that they are being educated

Genuine questions are fine. Not nit-picking, it comes across as belligerence, rightly or wrongly. Yes I am a HEer and what you describe isn’t my experience

It's very unusual for an LA, on receiving notification that a child has been degistered, not to contact for further information. A quick look in the national and local HE groups will tell you that if you won't take my word for it. Also people asking how long before they will be contacted and what to expect etc etc

I equally think schools need more checks, especially when it comes to educating SEN children, as do the Local authorities. People want to desperately protect the status quo as that is all that they’ve ever known and are all too happy to attack HE.

oliversmumsarmy we have two dx and the last one is strangely elusive. After seeing that team we will go for an ehcp, that we will struggle to get as he is high achieving.

They need ASD places tbh and in our borough they also need places for high ability ASD and SEN children.

taratill - afore ye go to the SEN Boards - the general baseline for an LEA to consider SS education is 2 permanent exclusions.

This is a hard concept for a parent to get their head around because instinctively parents want to keep their child included - I know, because it is a state of mind I have inhabited.

After the first permanent exclusion, which I fought and lost, no school for months, the PRU and then PT placement, where despite very supportive Teachers, TAs and Senco - the HT would exclude; I withdrew DS (age 7) and HS.

Visited by LEA to check and all ok - looking back I did produce a pretty good curriculum for ds, but really HS wasn't something I wanted to do, I felt his 'socialization' was being compromised.

Diagnosis - ASD - after 18months of Assessment.

New County - 2 years later - No School, then a bad placement which led to the inevitable exclusion. PRU.

I remember I was in the bath (relaxing) when the LEA called to ask if I wanted DS's exclusion struck from his records. I was very happy to say No. He had achieved 2 Permanent Exclusions!! A very strange circumstance to be pleased about. DS aged nearly 9.

Then in he went to an Indie SS as a Day Boy and after a few years I pulled the plug on that and we returned to nearly where we left from. No School, then PRU then mainstream Free Academy.

This year DS passed enough GCSEs and is now at College studying a Level 3 Btec.

Just trying to give hope to taratill and others.

he LA usually contacts the new home educator - I haven't heard of anyone in the home ed. community who hasn't received contact and enquiries, written or otherwise, as to their plans for their educational provision.

I HEd DS after deregistering him, and at no point during our period of HE did I have any contact whatever with the LA. Not a word. Not a confirmation, not a pack, not an enquiry. Absolute silence.

The positives for a register from my point of view is the failure on gargantuan scale if our disabled children might be more visible.

That seems to me by far the most useful - and nationally important - reasons for registration.