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‘Energy and persistence conquer all things’ - even vile orange ones. Trump thread con.

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TheClaws · 29/09/2018 02:44

From the august Benjamin Franklin. This thread is no. 84.

Old thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3369248-Not-knowing-when-the-Dawn-will-come-I-open-every-Door-Trump-No-95

‘Energy and persistence conquer all things’ - even vile orange ones. Trump thread con.
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ohmymimi · 06/10/2018 07:23

Great opening piece by Ms M:the

[The Rachel Maddow Show] Kavanaugh opposition will translate to political energy if history is a guide
podplayer.net/#/?id=56428618 via @PodcastAddict

Roussette · 06/10/2018 07:30

Totally mackerella Whilst the Dr. Ford accusations are of course immensely important, surely the fact he lied during his testimony is key and Lion's link proves he has lied again as per the FBI.

(BTW Lion could you give me a source for that as I would like to link it on Twitter if poss)

ohmymimi · 06/10/2018 07:32

I now can't help wondering whether the emphasis on Dr Ford's testimony and what happened at the party has made it possible for the swing senators to confirm with a clear conscience.
Exactly why the tactic of narrowing the further 'investigation' was to a 'he said she said' focus. It worked. Bravo to Heidi Heitkamp for standing up to the fix. Collins, Manchin and Flake will have their decision hanging 'round their necks, like a rotting albatross, for the rest of their political careers.

ohmymimi · 06/10/2018 07:42

So he is saying repugly women are too lazy to step up to do ctee work. Home run, ChucklesHmm
Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins
Ah. “It’s a lot of work — maybe they don’t want to do it. My chief of staff of 33 years tells me we’ve tried to recruit women and we couldn’t get the job done.”

Grassley Says Workload Discourages Women Senators From Joining Judiciary Panel, Then Walks Back...
wsj.com

Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins
This is the guy who hired a female prosecutor to question Christine Blasey Ford because Republican men didn’t want to look bad.

@kaitlancollins
Ah. “It’s a lot of work — maybe they don’t want to do it. My chief of staff of 33 years tells me we’ve tried to recruit women and we couldn’t get the job done.” (link: www.wsj.com/livecoverage/kavanaugh/card/1538766234) wsj.com/livecoverage/k…

mobile.twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1048327046798200832

ohmymimi · 06/10/2018 07:51

It was rigged. Do betterAngry
Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins
It’s certainly something to hear Democrats use the president’s language to describe the FBI investigation into Brett Kavanaugh (Hirono just told Wolf it’s “rigged”) when they attack Trump when he says the same.
mobile.twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1048327046798200832

ohmymimi · 06/10/2018 07:55

'New evidence of a Kavanaugh cover up.
NBC News exclusive reveals texts showing an effort to undermine an accuser: "Don't f-- tell [people] Brett got in touch with me!!!" '
www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/new-evidence-of-a-kavanaugh-cover-up-1338060867730?v=railb&cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

ohmymimi · 06/10/2018 08:02

Steve Schmidt
@SteveSchmidtSES
The price of Brett Kavanaugh’s ascension to the the SC is incalculably high. It will shatter the institutional integrity of the Court and eviscerate standards and expectations for both honesty and non partisanship in Judicial nominees for many years.
mobile.twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1048304330921525248

ohmymimi · 06/10/2018 08:08

Washington Post
@washingtonpost
Trump abruptly replaces federal personnel director after just 7 months
washingtonpost.com
mobile.twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1048377059167354880

ohmymimi · 06/10/2018 08:11

Yashar Ali 🐘
@yashar
NEW: Statement from Dr. Christine Blasey Ford's attorneys.
mobile.twitter.com/yashar/status/1048370700195487744/photo/1
mobile.twitter.com/yashar/status/1048370700195487744

ohmymimi · 06/10/2018 08:18

Strong and very effective opening to 'The Last Word':

[The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell] Vote expected on Kavanaugh confirmation Saturday
podplayer.net/#/?id=56430294 via @PodcastAddict

Lawrence: ‘The Senate Is An Unfixable Crime Against Democracy’ | The Last Word | MSNBC
A majority of Americans do not want Brett Kavanaugh to be confirmed, yet the senators who support his confirmation do not represent most Americans. Lawrence tells us the Founding Fathers never designed the Senate to be a truly democratic institution, so Americans must "work harder" to make democracy

ohmymimi · 06/10/2018 08:23

Another 'lookat me' white hat moment for the Melbot didn't quite play out as she expected:
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/melania-trump-colonial-helmet-africa-twitter_us_5bb7e20fe4b0876eda9e308e

Gumpendorf · 06/10/2018 08:35

Brilliant cartoon lion.

I agree, makarella and I think this is one of those cases where less is more. Unfortunately it was Avenatti and Julie Swetnick's claim that allowed them to shout political hit job and Dr Ford's allegations were conveniently wrapped up in the conspiracy. Debbie Ramirez's claims got lost in the shouting, deliberately so because it seems there is real evidence there. I'm sure the press will keep digging.

It's also a reminder that Trump and the GOP have the megaphone, and are skilled at using it to galvanise their base and denigrate the Democrats. The next 4 weeks will be .... interesting.

Gumpendorf · 06/10/2018 09:14

Brett Kavanaugh's many lies should disqualify him from holding any office
Rebecca Solnit

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/05/brett-kavanaugh-lies-supreme-court-disqualify-any-office?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

ohmymimi · 06/10/2018 10:25

It will be interesting (and educating) to see whether this Kav. success will galvanise Repuglies in the midterms more effectively than anger and disgust will drive Dems.

Totally agree about Avenetti's intervention backfiring, Gump. He should have the humility to learn from it, but will he? So far combative see.s to be the only gear he has.

Gumpendorf · 06/10/2018 11:06

That's an interesting thought, mimi. I think the jury is out. I'm fearful about how low the GOP will go to win in Nov.

Coincidentally, I'd just read this WaPo article where Trump's mocking of Dr Ford is seen as the turning point, and credit is given to Trump for understanding the moment and the emotions better than those advising him and anyone with any sense of decency

I've posted the first paragraphs. It's a v long piece and I'm happy to post the whole thing but don't want to clog the thread.

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/willing-to-go-to-the-mat-how-trump-and-republicans-carried-kavanaugh-to-the-cusp-of-confirmation/2018/10/05/7cdf0d0e-c81c-11e8-b1ed-1d2d65b86d0c_story.html

Again and again, President Trump was instructed not to do it. A cadre of advisers, confidants and lawmakers all urged him ~ implored him, really ~ not to personally attack the women who had accused Supreme Court nominee Brett M. Kavanaugh of sexual assault.
So he did it anyway.
Addressing thousands at a boisterous rally in Mississippi, Trump relied on his own visceral sense of the moment and mocked Christine Blasey Ford for gaps in her memory, directly impugning the accuser’s credibility.
Establishment Republicans initially reacted with horror. But Trump’s 36 second off-script jeremiad proved a key turning point toward victory for the polarizing nominee, White House officials and Kavanaugh allies said, turbocharging momentum behind Kavanaugh just as his fate appeared most in doubt.
Tuesday evening in Southhaven, Miss., Trump laid into Ford with the ruthlessness of an attack dog and the pacing of a stand-up comedian. The crowd roared with laughter and applause. Aides privately crowed as footage of the performance was played and replayed many times over, shifting the national discussion from scrutiny of Kavanaugh’s honesty and drinking habits to doubts about Ford’s memory. And in Washington, Republican senators ~ though they condemned Trump’s mockery of Ford ~ felt emboldened to aggressively demand Kavanaugh’s confirmation, which became a near certainty Friday and looks to become official with a vote Saturday.

“As long as he was willing to go to the mat for him, it fortified probably people up here, too,” said Sen. John Thune (S.D.), the chamber’s third-ranking Republican leader.
The three-week maelstrom ~ from when Ford first shared her story with The Washington Post to Saturday’s expected confirmation vote ~ fused the nation’s cultural reckoning over sexual assault with tribal politics, carrying ramifications not only for next month’s midterm elections but for the long-term identities of both political parties.
At the center, as always, was Trump, who used his bully pulpit to champion Kavanaugh and accused men everywhere. Initially restraining his combative impulses and deferring to the Senate on process, the president ultimately followed his own gut as if he were, in the description of one aide, “a strategic boogeyman.”

The result is likely to be, according to counselor to the president Kellyanne Conway, “a crowning achievement of his presidency.”
“If people look at this as an apocalyptic fight, he’s the ultimate fighter who doesn’t give up, doesn’t give in and doesn’t back down, even if there’s an avalanche of criticism and vicious, vile reactions from the other side,” Conway said.

Gumpendorf · 06/10/2018 11:18

The O'Donnell clip was thought provoking and reminded me of something I'd seen before. Pluto moved into Capricorn in 2008 (financial crisis) and stays until 2023. The last time this happened covered the period of the American Revolution.

Any serious astrologers on the thread?

ohmymimi · 06/10/2018 11:31

That WaPo piece, thanks G, is a reminder now much this confirmation will energise Stinky and his congressional minions. There will be much crowing and.smuggery. But Maya Wiley's voice on 'The Eleventh Hour' was a steadying one for me. In précis she said this is a long haul, and it requires staying power and gritty persistence.

ohmymimi · 06/10/2018 11:54

'How Trump saved Kavanaugh
The president was convinced that the cost to his administration and the GOP would be too great if he abandoned the judge, aides said.

White House officials have been reviewing polling on the narrowing so-called enthusiasm gap between Republicans and already motivated Democrats in key states. A person familiar with the numbers contended that GOP fervor is peaking at the right moment: Early and absentee voting is underway, or starting up, in Arizona, Ohio, Iowa, Montana and Indiana.
House Republican operatives pointed to a surge in fundraising over the final week of September, including a text message that raised seven times what such solicitations typically average.
Chris Wilson, the Republican pollster, said GOP enthusiasm is up 100,000 voters in Texas, and he’s also seen positive growth in North Dakota, Montana, Nevada and Arizona.
In Georgia, where a new statewide poll found 49 percent say they support confirming the judge, political warfare over Kavanaugh's fate is having a “boomerang effect” on Democrats, said Mark Rountree, a GOP strategist. The state is in the middle of a tense governor’s race, where Republican Brian Kemp is running neck-and-neck with Democrat Stacey Abrams.
Had Kavanaugh’s nomination been withdrawn, Rountree said the fallout may have been similar to the moment last year when Republicans were “deflated after [the late Sen. John] McCain gave the thumbs down to repealing Obamacare.”
Whether it’s enough to counterbalance a gathering blue wave is unknown. Democrats during the confirmation process pointed to massive fundraising hauls and polling they believe positions them well for November. But buttressing the GOP strategists’ confidence is their view that Senate Democrats took a powerful issue and overplayed their hand — “the demonstrators and protesters were too radical,” Anuzis said.
“It was too obvious, too calculating and too much according to articulated political plans,” he said. “Trying to demonize a federal judge, with a distinguished career, for what he may or may not have done in high school didn’t seem credible. Everybody has memories of their high school and college days that they would love to do over. "

www.politico.com/story/2018/10/05/kavanaugh-confirmation-trump-base-876298

BolleauxtoBankers · 06/10/2018 12:00

Thank you all for persisting. I'm sorry, I can't do it. The result of the Trump/Dr Ford at the rally thing is one horror more than my brain or heart can take, as I have already been completely discombobulated by the Dancing Queen earlier in the week.

ohmymimi · 06/10/2018 12:22

The discussion in the initial segment of Lemon's 'CNN Tonight', between Carl Bernstein, Abigail Tracy and David Kaplan, is on the process of the Kav. confirmation and the effect SCOTUS.:

Gumpendorf · 06/10/2018 12:23

But buttressing the GOP strategists’ confidence is their view that Senate Democrats took a powerful issue and overplayed their hand — “the demonstrators and protesters were too radical,” Anuzis said.
“It was too obvious, too calculating and too much according to articulated political plans,” he said. “Trying to demonize a federal judge, with a distinguished career, for what he may or may not have done in high school didn’t seem credible. Everybody has memories of their high school and college days that they would love to do over. "

Oh my, gaslighting 101.

Bolleaux.. I couldn't cope with Dancing Queen - just the front pages traumatised me. You make a good point. The next few weeks will be difficult in both the US and UK and we all need to protect ourselves. I know this last week has brought me close to my limit, and I need to take a little break. Smile

ohmymimi · 06/10/2018 12:24

Yesterday at Princeton:
'Supreme Court Justices Kagan and Sotomayor speak about the political divide'

ohmymimi · 06/10/2018 12:25

No idea what happened there. This is the Princeton extract

ohmymimi · 06/10/2018 12:36

I feel the same way, Bolleaux and GumpFlowersFlowers. I started posting here partially as a distraction from the deepening Brexit debacle. It has not quite been the outlet I intended. I am now just trying to hang in until the midterms.

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