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‘Energy and persistence conquer all things’ - even vile orange ones. Trump thread con.

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TheClaws · 29/09/2018 02:44

From the august Benjamin Franklin. This thread is no. 84.

Old thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3369248-Not-knowing-when-the-Dawn-will-come-I-open-every-Door-Trump-No-95

‘Energy and persistence conquer all things’ - even vile orange ones. Trump thread con.
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Gumpendorf · 05/10/2018 09:38

There's a good chance that if Kavanaugh is confirmed, it will do more to boost Democratic turnout, and that if Kavanaugh is voted down or withdrawn, it will do more to boost Republican turnout.

twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1047681412818714624

PerkingFaintly · 05/10/2018 09:54

Amazon have put out a detailed statement very strongly denying the story about rogue chips on Chinese-made motherboards.

The security of the hardware supply-chain is always a matter for concern, so it will be interesting to see where this story goes. If it's true, this will come out v soon as so many people are now looking into it. If it's false, who were the multiple sources spreading this story, and why?

Setting the Record Straight on Bloomberg BusinessWeek’s Erroneous Article
aws.amazon.com/blogs/security/setting-the-record-straight-on-bloomberg-businessweeks-erroneous-article/

Lweji · 05/10/2018 12:21

Another miss on the Nobel Peace Prize. Apparently it takes more than a high profile meeting and a virtual reality deal.

To add insult to injury the winners are against sexual violence...

BREAKING NEWS:
The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided to award the Nobel Peace Prize for 2018 to Denis Mukwege and Nadia Murad for their efforts to end the use of sexual violence as a weapon of war and armed conflict.

#NobelPrize #NobelPeacePrize t.co/LaICSbQXWM

Lweji · 05/10/2018 12:23

(She does have a Wikipedia page)

Lweji · 05/10/2018 12:27

Shit hole countries, a refugee...
It's almost as if the committee was playing anti-Trump bingo.

ohmymimi · 05/10/2018 13:30

Of course. We believe you, FlimskiHmm
Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins
Sen. Graham tells the Washington Post that President Trump was surprised by his outburst during the Kavanaugh hearing last week. He called and asked why he was so mad.
mobile.twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1048178552120770561

ohmymimi · 05/10/2018 13:37

'GOP nervous ahead of Kavanaugh vote: “We don’t have 50 right now”
www.axios.com/gop-nervous-ahead-of-brett-kavanaugh-vote-c8162287-2dc3-4b83-b59c-4f5cbf6fd2d2.html

ohmymimi · 05/10/2018 13:40

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
Salt Lake Tribune Ed Board: "The despicable attack launched by Sen. Orrin Hatch and the Senate Judiciary Committee ... on one of the women who has accused ... Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault is a textbook example of why more victims do not come forward."

Tribune editorial: Hatch attack on alleged witness is despicable
sltrib.com
mobile.twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1048181009827545089

ohmymimi · 05/10/2018 13:41

Kyle Griffin
Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
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1h
Kavanaugh's Yale classmates and drinking buddies: "None of this is what we wanted, but we felt it our civic duty to speak the truth and say that Brett lied under oath while seeking to become a Supreme Court justice."

Opinion | We were Brett Kavanaugh’s drinking buddies. We don’t think he should be confirmed.
washingtonpost.com
mobile.twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1048165911612407808

ohmymimi · 05/10/2018 13:44

Really? He obviously hasn't been paying attentionHmm

'Senate Democrat after reading FBI Kavanaugh report: 'I've never been so appalled at this institution' '
www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/senate-democrat-after-reading-fbi-kavanaugh-report-ive-never-been-so-appalled-at-this-institution?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 05/10/2018 13:54

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
For the first time since 1987, The Washington Post's Editorial Board is telling senators to vote "no" on a Supreme Court nominee:

The Washington Post Democracy Dies in Darkness

The Post's View Opinion - Vote ‘no’ on Kavanaugh

AS SENATORS prepare to vote this week on Supreme Court nominee Brett M. Kavanaugh, they, and the rest of the country, must wonder: Which Brett M. Kavanaugh are they evaluating? Is it the steady, conservative jurist he was reputed to be before his confirmation saga? Or is it a partisan operative harboring suspicions and resentments about Democrats, with possible misdeeds in his past?
Unfortunately — and unnecessarily; it didn’t have to be this way — too many questions remain about his history for senators to responsibly vote “yes.” At the same time, enough has been learned about his partisan instincts that we believe senators must vote “no.”
We do not say so lightly. We have not opposed a Supreme Court nominee, liberal or conservative, since Robert H. Bork in 1987. We believe presidents are entitled to significant deference if they nominate well-qualified people within the broad mainstream of judicial thought. When President Trump named Mr. Kavanaugh, he seemed to be such a person: an accomplished judge whom any conservative president might have picked. But given Republicans’ refusal to properly vet Mr. Kavanaugh, and given what we have learned about him during the process, we now believe it would be a serious blow to the court and the nation if he were confirmed.
One element of the GOP vetting failure has been all but forgotten in the drama over alleged sexual assaults, but it remains for us a serious shortcoming. Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee refused to ask for all the potentially relevant documents from his time serving in the George W. Bush White House. The reason was not principled but political: Though they had kept a Supreme Court seat vacant for most of 2016, they wanted to ram through Mr. Kavanaugh before this year’s midterm elections. Those documents, which could have been processed without crippling delay, might end up supporting his case, or they might not; we have no idea. But any responsible senator should insist on seeing them before casting a vote.
It certainly would have been preferable if Christine Blasey Ford’s allegation had surfaced sooner, and then been investigated more promptly. But what matters now is not partisan fault but finding the truth about her claim — or at least making as fair and thorough an effort to find it as possible. Mr. Trump and the Republicans have prevented such an effort. This week’s belated investigation, reluctantly agreed to by the majority, was unduly narrow. Unsurprisingly, Senate Republicans quickly and unconvincingly claimed that it was exculpatory. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) came to his conclusion before even this cursory examination was complete.
We continue to believe that Ms. Ford is a credible witness with no motivation to lie. It is conceivable that she and Mr. Kavanaugh are both being truthful, in the sense that he has no memory of the event. It is also conceivable that Ms. Ford’s memory is at fault. We wish the FBI had been allowed to probe Mr. Kavanaugh’s credibility more fully. But our conclusion about Mr. Kavanaugh’s fitness does not rest on believing one side or the other.
If Mr. Kavanaugh truly is, or believes himself to be, a victim of mistaken identity, his anger is understandable. But he went further in last Thursday’s hearing than expressing anger. He gratuitously indulged in hyperpartisan rhetoric against “the left,” describing his stormy confirmation as “a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fueled with apparent pent-up anger about President Trump and the 2016 election” and “revenge on behalf of the Clintons.” He provided neither evidence nor even a plausible explanation for this red-meat partisanship, but he poisoned any sense that he could serve as an impartial judge. Democrats or liberal activists would have no reason to trust in his good faith in any cases involving politics. Even beyond such cases, his judgment and temperament would be in doubt.
Such doubts feed into concerns about Mr. Kavanaugh’s independence from Mr. Trump and his deference to executive power, at a moment when fateful questions for the presidency may be winding their way to the court. Mr. Kavanaugh began his confirmation process by bowing obsequiously to Mr. Trump, claiming, absurdly, that “no president has ever consulted more widely, or talked with more people from more backgrounds, to seek input about a Supreme Court nomination.” Mr. Kavanaugh then declined to offer much reassurance about how he would handle cases involving Mr. Trump. Given his writings arguing that a president should be free of criminal investigations while in office, it would be best for the court’s reputation for Mr. Kavanaugh to recuse himself from any such case, lest it appear that Mr. Trump chose him in order to foil the Justice Department’s Russia probe. If not a commitment to recuse, he should have offered more of a sense that he would treat the issue with due delicacy.
Finally, Mr. Kavanaugh raised questions about his candor that, while each on its own is not disqualifying, are worrying in the context of his demand that Ms. Ford and his other accusers be dismissed and disbelieved. These include his role in the nomination of controversial judge Charles Pickering while working for Mr. Bush, his knowledge of the origin of materials stolen from Democratic Senate staff between 2001 and 2003, and his lawyerly obfuscations about his high school and college years.
And what of Mr. Kavanaugh’s political philosophy? Here we freely admit that Mr. Kavanaugh would not have been our choice. A president concerned for the court’s standing would have nominated someone of more moderate views for the seat vacated by Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, the court’s erstwhile swing vote — particularly given the Senate’s inexcusable refusal to consider Judge Merrick Garland when President Barack Obama nominated that eminently qualified jurist.
But we would not have opposed Mr. Kavanaugh on that basis, just as we did not think GOP senators should have voted against Sonia Sotomayor because they did not like her views. Rather, the reason not to vote for Mr. Kavanaugh is that senators have not been given sufficient information to consider him — and that he has given them ample evidence to believe he is unsuited for the job. The country deserves better.

ohmymimi · 05/10/2018 15:15

'The Note: Winners could be losers in politics around Kavanaugh'
abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/note-winners-losers-politics-kavanaugh/story?id=58296991&id=58296991&__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 05/10/2018 15:32

Paid professionals, identical signs not made from love, rude screamers - sound familiar?

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
The very rude elevator screamers are paid professionals only looking to make Senators look bad. Don’t fall for it! Also, look at all of the professionally made identical signs. Paid for by Soros and others. These are not signs made in the basement from love! #Troublemakers

ohmymimi · 05/10/2018 15:35

Aha:
Dave Brown
@dave_brown24
Maria Bartiromo asked Chuck Grassley this morning if he thinks George Soros is paying the elevator protesters. "I have heard so many people believe that. I tend to believe it," Grassley said. Trump tweeted the accusation about 80 minutes later

ohmymimi · 05/10/2018 15:38

Manu Raju
@mkraju
ABA says it is reopening evaluation of Kavanaugh’s well-qualified rating, which the GOP hailed during confirmation process. It says it is evaluating “temperament” issues
mobile.twitter.com/mkraju/status/1048211299304443905/photo/1

ohmymimi · 05/10/2018 16:01

Murkowski - No
Collins - Aye
Minchin - Aye
Mark Knoller
@markknoller
Senate votes 51-49 to invoke cloture and limit debate on the confirmation of Judge Kavanaugh. Vote expected to take place Saturday.

ohmymimi · 05/10/2018 16:03

Manchin Minchin is much funnier and more musically accomplishedSmile

ohmymimi · 05/10/2018 16:25

The Stinker will have doll envy:
'A disciple of Brazil's dictatorship moves closer to the presidency'
"Yes, I'm in favor of a dictatorship!" Bolsonaro, a former Army captain, thundered at fellow lawmakers, some of whom had joined guerrilla groups to battle the junta that ruled Brazil from 1964 to 1985. "We will never resolve grave national problems with this irresponsible democracy!"
mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1MF1DP?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 05/10/2018 16:48

Murkovski

Lweji · 05/10/2018 17:42

Going to a final vote.
What are the chances of any GOP Sen. voting against? Sad

AcrossthePond55 · 05/10/2018 17:56

Pretty much nil, Lweji.

It's just another nail in the coffin of personal freedom. Even with a blue wave next month, we will be living with this appointment for decades. I will be dead of old age before he's off the court.

I grew up with the Pill and Roe v Wade so my reproductive freedom was something I took completely for granted. I knew that no matter the circumstances, the decision to have a child or not was totally in my control. Soon that will no longer be the case for younger women. If Kav is confirmed R v W is as dead as a doornail. It will be followed by restrictions and 'reinterpretations' on equality laws, and the repeal of many gun control laws.

Today is not a good day. Tomorrow will be worse. But we'll take up our banners anyway let let our voices be heard. VOTE!!!

lionheart · 05/10/2018 18:26

If we can go with the Chinese insults I think it is okay to post this here.

Even though I should rise above. Smile

It involves the President, AF1 and toilet paper (and also the fact that no one bothered to tell him)

lionheart · 05/10/2018 18:28

In my defence I think it also works as a metaphor. Grin

lionheart · 05/10/2018 18:30

And the Nobel went to those who put their lives on the line to end sexual violence:

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/nobel-peace-prize-2018-win-denis-mukwege-nadia-murad-winner-yazidi-congo-sexual-violence-trump-kim-a8569766.html

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