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To actually want a labour government

146 replies

Oopupsideyourhead · 26/09/2018 21:55

As there is a Corbyn bashing thread, I thought I would start an opposing one.

I want a Labour government. I think they offer more of a vision for a fairer country that the current shambolic Tory visionless one.

I want nationalised railways and for the rich corporations to be taxed more to pay for it. I would like to see disabled people treated fairly and not sanctioned and made to live in poverty. I want proper housing regulation for people who rent.

Theresa May pretty much said today in New York that the Uk will become a deregulated tax haven. The NHS will be sold off.

I want labour in power because at the moment they offer some hope an a vision of a different country. The Tories offer nothing but out of touch privileged etonians who want to strip the country bare.

So, aibu?

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SillySallySingsSongs · 27/09/2018 00:12

SillySally - you saying they're not? Cos every time I've asked its turned out to be the case.

I'm not. I have voted Labour all my life and was a young supporter before I could vote. Neither I nor any of my family will vote Labour whilst Corbyn is in charge. There are very many people like me.

So no not everyone is. Assumptions are dangerous things.

IAmLurkacus · 27/09/2018 00:23

YABU

It would not BU to want what the Labour Party SHOULD be in power, however the current incarnation of the Labour Party is a totalitarian misogynistic shit show that no sane person would want anywhere near power.

WingingWonder · 27/09/2018 00:29

I am a financially stable female with compassion for all and a strong belief in equal opportunity
No party appeals to me now
Labour appeals but not with Corbyn, not with anti Semitic behaviour rife and no management of those who are, not with anti female policy and not without a robust strategy of their own which doesn’t revolve around bashing other parties- stand up and be proud of your policy and givee someone to vote for!!!

RedneckStumpy · 27/09/2018 00:34

Did I imagine that I heard on radio 4 this morning that Labour are proposing that any company that expands to more than 250 people has to at that point hand 10 percent of its shares to the government?

If that’s true I wouldn’t move back to the UK ever. I am not a fan of socialism but that’s insane.

RedneckStumpy · 27/09/2018 00:37

Having lived under the NHS for 30 years before moving to American healthcare. A&E is the only part of the NHS that I would say is better than the American system.

I am saying that while 12 weeks pregnant and planning for probably a $3000bill for the next 6 months?

Puggles123 · 27/09/2018 00:38

Perhaps without Corbyn at the helm.

TheSageofOnions · 27/09/2018 00:45

That very much depends on who's leading it.

MrsTommyBanks · 27/09/2018 01:22

I'm politically homeless. I creates me untold anxiety.

Bluelady · 27/09/2018 08:16

Me too, MrsTB. I have visions of standing in the polling station muttering "What the fuck do I do?" at the next general election. Someone I know who's a lifelong Tory is in exactly the same boat. The whole current political shitshow is terrifying. Where are the grown ups?

Pollypanda · 27/09/2018 08:24

YANBU.

mypointofview · 27/09/2018 08:25

I also think they've achieved a lot in opposition and we need someone to truly put the marginalised first.

SweetSummerchild · 27/09/2018 08:49

Did I imagine that I heard on radio 4 this morning that Labour are proposing that any company that expands to more than 250 people has to at that point hand 10 percent of its shares to the government?

My understanding is that the 10 percent shares will go to the employees.......... who cannot sell them and will have them held for them ‘in trust’ ........by the government. When is share ownership not share ownership FFS? The ‘employee shares’ will have the dividend capped (and probably taxed) and the excess (still payable) will go to the government.

I’m no economist, but I can only begin to imagine how this will affect businesses and the lengths they will go to to avoid this.

Batshit is the only word I can think of.

Bluelady · 27/09/2018 08:51

They've done fuck all in opposition, to the point where there is no opposition. In the last two years they've missed chance after chance to stick it to the Tories, with the current weak government they should be storming ahead in the polls. If they're as rubbish as this in opposition, God help us if they were in government.

As a lifelong Labour voter it really pains me to say that, too.

londonrach · 27/09/2018 08:55

I dont want any of the parties at the moment but labour would be the worse while cobyn in charge. Maybe if they changed leaders. Im up for setting up a mn party. Im sure we on mn could come up with better ideas.

Daisymay2 · 27/09/2018 09:06

I note on many of these threads 'lifelong labour voters but cannot vote for this labour'. Are actually blairite labour voters.
No, sorry, I was a member long before Blair and I remember the fallow years- we are going there again. Monentum is far worse than Militant and will destroy the party.
MPs who don't toe their line are getting votes of no confidence and will probably be de-selected The old "Broad Church" stuff is coming out but only really applies if you support Momentum views.
The mysogeny is just soul destroying and the views on Israel and Palestine are simplistic.
Woe betide anyone, especially MPs, who does not comply with the Momentum line unlike the freedom of choice that was allowed previously.

Amanduh · 27/09/2018 09:13

Lifelong Labour voter. Not a Blairite. I’d say 90% of Labour voters I know - myself included - won’t vote for Corbyn. Oh and everything Bluelady said. They should be storming everything right now, but they’re crap in opposition even in all the mess so who would trust them in power?!

Neshoma · 27/09/2018 09:21

I also think they've achieved a lot in opposition Can you name them as I'm struggling.

This country is fucked if Labour get in.

The only good thing would be for there to be a GE, Labour win, see us through a car-crash Brexit, and get the blame for the fiasco, hence another GE, the Tories win. Ta-dah!

ConfusedMum82 · 27/09/2018 09:22

Totally in agreement with you OP, but fear the Blairites and media are deliberately killing any chance we have.
The rich in the media don't want a Labour government as they will have to pay what they owe. So they use their power to smeer Jeremy with lies and propaganda, and sadly there are too many morons in the UK willing to believe it all.
I think even if we do have another general election we are still in for more years of utter hell from the Conservatives. Let's just hope Mogg isn't next or Esther McVey.

PinkPupZ · 27/09/2018 09:27

Yanbu
The Tories are grim

HappydaysArehere · 27/09/2018 09:31

I have voted Labour all my voting life. However, I can no longer do so.
Corbyn and his cohorts are completely different. They will say anything to get in power and are hiding the thugs that bully and intimidate within the party. I was listening to David Plunket yesterday on LBCand he was saying exactly that. As for nationalisation etc. This would take enormous amounts of money and my memories do not reveal it in any kind of rosey aura. Corbyn is spouting what he thinks the disillusioned want to hear. Appoint a new leader with realistic aims and once more I will vote Labour.

GoatWithACoat · 27/09/2018 09:58

I want a labour government but NOT the hard left communist like nightmare Corbyn and has ilk are offering.

I’m also in the political wilderness having to choose between a government that hates disabled people, rape victims and the poor and parties that hate women and anyone with over a hundred quid in their bank.

When Labour gets back to being centre left and stops hating women I’d quite like them back.

Bowlofbabelfish · 27/09/2018 09:59

I am definitely not a Blairite.

NO major party has a stance that doesn’t shaft women. The tories are on board with self ID and their austerity policies predominantly harm women.
The greens have described women as ‘non men’ and have allowed a convicted child rapist to act as an election agent. Plaid and SNP are fully on board with self ID. Labour (my natural home) are swerving to the left but not in a social justice way - in an authoritarian way. Anti semitism is rife, anti woman policies are default. Momentum are batshit, men are taking CLP posts and All women shortlist posts, and any voice of dissent is crushed. No thanks - authoritarian extreme left is as bad as extreme right.

I don’t know who to vote for, for the first time in my entire life.

mypointofview · 27/09/2018 10:00

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Bowlofbabelfish · 27/09/2018 10:04

I think the antisemitism is an issue.

It’s also pounced on gleefully by the bits of the press who dontvwant corbyn in power. At the same time, that doesn’t mean that it’s all made up by the press. There is an antisemitism issue in labour.

There is also a strong anti-woman streak. That’s not getting reported widely because no one cares about women.

scaryteacher · 27/09/2018 10:15

I'd love to see a Labour govt try to square the circle of renationalisation if they kept us in the EU; iirc that wouldn't be allowed.