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To actually want a labour government

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Oopupsideyourhead · 26/09/2018 21:55

As there is a Corbyn bashing thread, I thought I would start an opposing one.

I want a Labour government. I think they offer more of a vision for a fairer country that the current shambolic Tory visionless one.

I want nationalised railways and for the rich corporations to be taxed more to pay for it. I would like to see disabled people treated fairly and not sanctioned and made to live in poverty. I want proper housing regulation for people who rent.

Theresa May pretty much said today in New York that the Uk will become a deregulated tax haven. The NHS will be sold off.

I want labour in power because at the moment they offer some hope an a vision of a different country. The Tories offer nothing but out of touch privileged etonians who want to strip the country bare.

So, aibu?

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Oopupsideyourhead · 26/09/2018 22:23

@thefusili so we should excuse Boris then? Laugh his extreme right wing views off as he’s a bit of a comedian?

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Jolonglegs · 26/09/2018 22:23

Until be get some kind of PR, it's a choice between a Tory government and a Labour government, and I would prefer Labour. Ok they've made lots of statements that I don't agree with, but the alternative is unthinkable.

Poloshot · 26/09/2018 22:24

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Pywife2 · 26/09/2018 22:25

I'm with Stormcloak on this one. I campaigned for Labour at the last election, but I cannot go to the doorstep for a party that believes men can change into women. Apart from the obvious misogyny and the fact that adopting this policy will prevent women from being able to organise politically, this is not socialism. Socialism is a materialist philosophy and gender theory is post modernist magical thinking. The Orwellian manipulation of language and thought and the techniques used to silence women are frankly alarming. The witch hunts against women who have tried to exercise their democratic right to question this within the party completely undermine my faith that the grassroots really have any control.

If they can be so wrong about this, how can the rest of their socialist analysis be sound? If Corbyn can lie about this, why not other things - I used to think he was an honest politician. If they get in, it's self ID and the biggest setback for women's rights for a century. I can't vote for that, even in the face of austerity.

Sorry, OP. Even this time last year I would have agreed with you.

ThefusilliJerry · 26/09/2018 22:25

Did I say that?
Even my 10 year old has grown out of the phase of pointing at others to deflect criticism. If labour can’t get past that phase god help them

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Oopupsideyourhead · 26/09/2018 22:27

@poloshot- huh? Why? Because I dont want any more years of the tories. Maybe rather than calling me names, you could offer something in the way of a decent argument

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Daisymay2 · 26/09/2018 22:29

Yes I am politically homeless too- although my Brexit loving MP has such a huge majority it does not really matter.
Sadly- although I think the current governement are appalling beyond belief , Corbyn is not the answer. The Labour party, which I used to belong to, has become intolerant and authoritarian and we are back to a party within a party ( Momentum) As for the leader of my trades union ( Unite) he has demonstrated that the Unions will be running the government if Labour win. I never thought that Tom Watson would become the sane face of Labour Party leadership.
I fear we need a new party. But, my biggest fear is when May does not deliver, the fallout will land us with Boris or Jacob.
But Labour- with its views on gender , antiseminism and the pie in the sky promises is not a serious alternative- and I am sorry.

gingercat02 · 26/09/2018 22:30

As Kevin Keegan once said "I would love that" but I sadly don't think there is a chance. The kippers wouldn't allow it

teaandtoast · 26/09/2018 22:31

Yabu.
Women.

bringincrazyback · 26/09/2018 22:32

applauds loudly

OP, I could have written the same thing word for word.

Yesyesyes I want a Labour government. For all the reasons you outlined here.

SeaWitchly · 26/09/2018 22:34

I also want a Corbyn led Labour government. We have suffered under Tory rule for long enough.

mycatthinksshesatiger · 26/09/2018 22:34

I have voted labour all my life, but cannot vote for them in their present form. I think Corbyn is toxic and extremely dangerous. I don’t believe most of his policies would work economically, especially after Brexit which clearly he wanted, in spite of ostensibly leading a Remain party. For that alone I will never forgive or trust him.

He leads a party where antisemitism is tolerated and those critical of the leadership on this are marginalised or deselected.

Women’s rights? Where do I start?!

The obsession with Palestine? Yet no mention of other minorities at risk of ethic cleansing eg the Rohingya....

The company Corbyn “accidentally” keeps? Terrorists in Tunisia, the IRA, Hamas, need I go on...

I’m no fan of the Tories. However I really don’t get how listing Boris’ many faults changes anything about Jeremy Corbyn.

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Oopupsideyourhead · 26/09/2018 22:35

The thing is- there probably will be an election and in that a chance to get rid of the tories. There are no alternatives at the moment to the 2 party system- so it labour or tories and for me, labour offer a far better future than the tories at the moment

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SeaWitchly · 26/09/2018 22:37

Agree that Labour offers a far better vision of the future than the Tories.
I do just wish they would wake up and oppose self id and men identifying as women taking places on AWS.

TheLastSaola · 26/09/2018 22:38

Half a trillion in public borrowing.

Effective state ownership of 10% of every private company.

33% of every private board controlled by unions - in the guise of elected employees who HAVE to be union members.

Hundreds of billions for re nationalising utilities, railways etc - not with a commitment to improve them or invest in them - just to give the government control over them.

All this but less NHS investment than the Tories. All to be funded by borrowing and income/corporate taxing but no commitment to tax those who are already wealthy (and own nice houses in Islington), just those who are trying to work hard for their family.

Corbyn I dislike and distrust. McDonnell fucking terrifies me.

And I've been a Labour member for years.

ThefusilliJerry · 26/09/2018 22:39

So labour offers a better future except for women and Jews.
Er, what?

littlebillie · 26/09/2018 22:39

YABU

Get a grip the party is adrift, they can't stand each other. There are too many factions in the Party to make it work.

The only reason we had austerity was the damage by the last Labour government. God help us if they get in this time.

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Oopupsideyourhead · 26/09/2018 22:39

And if there was a labour government, then maybe Corbyn wouldn’t even remain as leader.

But for me, the bottom line is that Labour offer more hope than the tories. More years of a Tory government and we will have no working rights and no NHS as they will have sold it off as part of a Brexit trade deal

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oldbirdy · 26/09/2018 22:41

Did I imagine that I heard on radio 4 this morning that Labour are proposing that any company that expands to more than 250 people has to at that point hand 10 percent of its shares to the government?

How is that going to work?

My husband joined his company when there were about 10 employees. His boss and he grew it to 1000 employees. Each employed person has a salary, a mortgage, doesn't claim unemployment benefit, and pays their taxes. We need small, medium and large businesses. Do we really expect entrepreneurs, who take all the risk, provide employment, and pay people's salaries, to hand over 10 percent of their shares as well?

hellsbells99 · 26/09/2018 22:42

Yabu

oldbirdy · 26/09/2018 22:45

They grew it, btw, by working 14 hour days 7 days a week for 10 years. Owner drew no salary for the first couple of years.

Way to put people off expanding, Labour.

zsazsajuju · 26/09/2018 22:49

I can’t pretend to get terribly excited about renationalising the railways. I’d like a better service of course but it wasn’t all that great when It was nationalised and public money could be better spent on other things.

I would like to see less inequality and more investment in public services and housing (and better regulation of rented housing). But I don’t think it’s realistic that this will be easy to pay for. “Rich” corporations are already taxed - corporation tax has been cut recently but increasing it to its previous level would not pay for the investment we need. In reality I think a lot of people in the middle will have to pay a lot more tax and I think that’s unpalatable to many in the the Labour Party.

I don’t have a lot of faith in the Labour Party to do what needs to be done. We are still in deficit, still spending more than we raise in taxes. But the Labour Party are still the best of a bad bunch. But I have to say our politicians are pretty disappointing altogether.

Mariatequila · 26/09/2018 22:54

Yabu. I want a centralist government. One that believes in unity, equality and fairness. Jeremy Corbyn’s labour offers division, the removal of women’s rights, harsh antisemitism, harsh prejudice and intentional isolation towards white people. They are extreme left. They want the exact same thing as the extreme right, it just has a different label on it. A fair amount of his policies are gearing towards a totalitarian government & that has never, in the history of the world, ended well.

Someone can tell you you’ll be financially better off, they may even be able to do it. However, if the price you pay is your rights as a woman, a Jewish persons right to feel safe, the implementation of harsh positive discrimination, which is still discrimination none the less. Is it worth it?

anunseemlylovefordustin · 26/09/2018 22:56

I'm with you OP

TerfedOff · 26/09/2018 22:56

Lifetime labour voter here who will never vote for them again as long as they continue to insult and ignore women. I actually went to see my labour MP about this and was advised that there is a strong streak of misogyny within the labour party at the moment because of the older members from the 70s who think women should just stay in the kitchen.