To actually want a labour government

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As there is a Corbyn bashing thread, I thought I would start an opposing one.

I want a Labour government. I think they offer more of a vision for a fairer country that the current shambolic Tory visionless one.

I want nationalised railways and for the rich corporations to be taxed more to pay for it. I would like to see disabled people treated fairly and not sanctioned and made to live in poverty. I want proper housing regulation for people who rent.

Theresa May pretty much said today in New York that the Uk will become a deregulated tax haven. The NHS will be sold off.

I want labour in power because at the moment they offer some hope an a vision of a different country. The Tories offer nothing but out of touch privileged etonians who want to strip the country bare.

So, aibu?

Is there any country where you like the model of government? It isn’t just the UK that needs to change.
I think it is all very well but you need to look at what happens when Corbyns version of socialism gets in elsewhere.

No you are being normal, considerate and caring.

We all at some time have to experience a labour government. Afterwards you will have the experience to guide you in the future.

The young never listen to the old so it’s best to let you find out for yourself.

Even though Im not overly impressed with the Tories, a Corbyn/Mcdonell government scares me silly so if an election was called tomorrow, I would vote tory. I've been following the twitter feed of actress Tracy Ann Oberman. Words fail me on what some of the labour people think about Jewish people.

I think we probably need proportional representation. I actually vote for a left wing minority party because of where I live- my MP is a female minority party member and I would like to see a better representation in parliament. The party I vote for will never currently get into government but might have done if PR existed

YANBU

I just don't think I could vote for then at the moment, and I was devestated they didn't get in last time. For the first time ever I am genuinely not sure what I would do comeback general election. I feel very disconnected from all the parties.

And I don’t think anyone is keen on buying the NHS. It’s a big sinkhole of money and doesn’t make any profit. Or money at all as it generally doesn’t change for its services. So not sure what that’s all about.

@zsazsa we’d lose socialised medicine & have a private system like in the US

So actually op you are saying in an ideal world even you would prefer not to have a Labour government!

I used to want a Labour government until Momentum took the party over. I don't want an anti-Semitic, misogynistic government so they don't get my vote. Nor do the Tories. There are countless people in my position with nobody to vote for.

we’d lose socialised medicine & have a private system like in the US

There's a broad spectrum of systems between what the UK and what the US has. Reforming the NHS =/= adopting the American system.

As someone who is neither British nor American, I am sick of seeing this trope rolled out constantly. There is no one single alternative to the NHS.

@zsazsa possibly- or a mix of a few parties!

The thought of Corbyn at the helm terrifies me! I never completely agreed with Frank Fields politics, but you know labour has a problem when he resigns the whip!

I used to want a Labour government until Momentum took the party over. I don't want an anti-Semitic, misogynistic government so they don't get my vote. Nor do the Tories. There are countless people in my position with nobody to vote for.

Exactly this.

Would we? I think that’s unlikely. There have been some batshit conspiracy theories about how various trade deals will “privatise” the NHS but nothing serious. The real concern for the NHS is that it’s hugely underfunded and badly managed and often is not providing decent care. I wouldn’t be without private insurance in the U.K. unless I genuinely couldn’t afford it.

@zsazsa there was stuff in the guardian about a week ago about ut

I think In Reality that is how it will go. It will become more and more common to have private insurance and fewer and fewer things will be covered by the NHS. So a private system by stealth. There are good systems in Europe but I think we either pay for it or recognise we won’t get it.

I have to say, having lived in countries with private healthcare, their standard of care is miles higher. Of course if you can afford it (to be fair in many such countries as long as you’re working your employer pays for insurance). But we are kidding ourselves if we think NHS care is comparable.

YANBU
For all the reasons @Graphista said, and so many more.
I just can't understand how anyone thinks the Maybot is fit for purpose. We're all doomed.

Yeah, don’t believe everything you read in the guardian! Or anywhere. In any event that article says the NHS opened to foreign competition. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. Even if it were true. Which it likely isn’t. Having worked on intricacies of trade deals earlier in my career I’m afraid these tropes always come up. About how free trade will Mean we can’t protect the environment /privatise the NHS/ take away our sovereignty. It’s just nonsense from people who don’t understand the issues and probably don’t want to.

Geez - every time!

Tories are just as bad as ALL the other parties on the self ID crap, they're just not being as obvious about it.

Tories historically and currently DEEPLY misogynistic and racist/bigoted INCLUDING anti-semitism - again just hiding it well at the moment. And I'd argue that their islamophobic is far more dangerous than labours issues!

I note on many of these threads 'lifelong labour voters but cannot vote for this labour'. Are actually blairite labour voters. Ditto those who go on about 'the unions will take over' - go read up on labours roots! Blairite labour was actually a glitch, that really wasn't a true Labour Party, I'll get flamed but it's true, they were very much Tory lite. I had voted labour UNTIL Blair became leader. I then became a floating voter but have NEVER voted Tory and never will.

I grew up under thatcher and came of age during the recession of the late 80's early 90's, saw and felt the effects of Thatcherism from which we never really recovered - and she at least was competent!

May scares the shit out of me as she seems spineless, too easily led, lacking conviction and lacking competency. She's a joke! As for Boris and Jacob - even more bloody terrifying prospects! Jacob would have the likes of me institutionalised for life annexed to a fucking workhouse!

No political party is ever going to be perfect or appeal to everyone, so we choose the one that has the most policies that we agree with.

"The only reason we had austerity was the damage by the last Labour government." And this nonsense always crops up too! No! There was a GLOBAL financial crisis caused by irresponsible AMERICAN lenders primarily! I didn't agree with the bank bailout - BUT the tories would not only have bailed the banks out they wouldn't have made them pay it back either! And austerity has COMPOUNDED the problem. Protectionism never works with this sort of issue it stagnates the economy bringing it to a grinding halt!

We NEED spending.

Increase nmw to an actual living wage and people will start spending again

Build affordable housing - creates jobs in construction, which will include providing trade training to youngsters, creates much needed affordable housing, gets the housing market moving again and starts to bring house prices down but in a controlled steady way, gets the economy moving.

Invest in the nhs with a focus on preventive medicine. Keep people healthy and working instead of waiting until they're ill, missing work, possibly having to give up work or getting sacked

I am with Andro
I am also frightened about the anti semitism that has become so acceptable.

I note on many of these threads 'lifelong labour voters but cannot vote for this labour'. Are actually blairite labour voters.

Note what you like. It doesn't make it true.

May scares the shit out of me as she seems spineless, too easily led, lacking conviction and lacking competency

As is Corbyn. You think he is competent?

HTH.

Poppy - what a patronising post do you think only young people vote labour? Do you think young people can't have the sense to vote 'correctly'? My almost 18 year old daughter has a greater understanding of the U.K. And scots governmental set up than many much older than her.

And I am a floating but usually labour and NEVER Tory voter at fe age of 46!

"As someone who is neither British nor American, I am sick of seeing this trope rolled out constantly. There is no one single alternative to the NHS." Whilst this is true, the tories would want an American style system, they've even said so. They've consulted American healthcare CEO's, researched how it works there etc. Several Tory Mp's have literal vested interests in privatising the nhs, by having shares in American healthcare companies (iirc that includes a certain mr hunt who did his damndest to ensure it would be a cheap sale too!)

SillySally - you saying they're not? Cos every time I've asked its turned out to be the case.

And yes I think Corbyn more competent - at least we know where we stand with him!

As for HTH - don't need your help thanks.

I want I want I want, does not get.

Even rat traps entice the rodents in with a cheesy treat.

I note on many of these threads 'lifelong labour voters but cannot vote for this labour'. Are actually blairite labour voters.

Nope. I was supporting labour before I could even vote (a very very long time ago!).
I liked Corbyn at first.

But I am a women before I am a labour supporter. Like a pp I think the next government will be so important as women’s rights are heading to be put back decades.

Unfortunately I don’t know who to vote for to stop it.....