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Not to want to buy a house with DM?

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JasnahKholin · 26/09/2018 20:18

DM and I had an argument today (or rather she ranted and I said very little, which is usually how it goes). She wants us to sell up and chip in to buy a house with her. Her reasoning as follows:

  1. We could afford something much better together (true - probably a large house and garden with a decent sized annexe. She is currently in a 4 bed detached and we are in a small flat)
  2. She would be around to help with childcare as DH and I are both shift workers (sort of true - but she finds it very difficult to look after both DCs at once, doesn’t often as we don’t ask. Don’t think that would change.)
  3. It would be cheaper otherwise as only one set of council tax etc
  4. Fundamentally and most importantly - she is lonely. She hates living alone. My dad left her 10 years ago and she has never really got over it. She currently lives half an hour away. We see her at least once if not twice a week but she thinks it is not enough. She says she would never have left one of her parents living alone.

My reasons for not:

  1. We did briefly move in with her just before and after we had DS1 while we were house-hunting and it was horrific. She was incredibly controlling and unsupportive and the whole situation hugely contributed to my developing PND. She acknowledges that didn’t go well but says it was my fault as I was in ‘a funny place mentally’, (so nothing to do with her constantly hassling me to stop breastfeeding and waking me up whenever I managed to nap while the baby did as I ‘should be up and about’ Hmm ) and says it would be different if we were in a main house/ annexe type situation with own kitchens etc. I don’t think it would be.
  2. DH doesn’t want to. Because of above. He has in fact said over his dead body will he ever live with her again. She does not accept he gets an equal say in this.
  3. She is incredibly wearing and negative. (Admittedly mostly because she is lonely), but I find spending time with her incredibly draining. She also undermines my parenting.
  4. Purely practicallly, I don’t want to settle in this area for ever. I’d like to be free to move around over the next few years and don’t want the added complication of either having to move all together or extricate ourselves financially.
  5. I don’t think any house we bought with her, regardless of the arrangements of who was living where, would ever feel like ours, because she would take over.

I do feel really bad. I’m actually very pro extended family living together- I can see how of it works for all involved the benefits are huge. She is desperately unhappy and I know it would partially relieved if we did this (though I think not as wholly as she thinks it would be). But I can’t do it. It would put an incredible strain on my and DH’s relationship and would quite possibly destroy my mental health. I was very clear today that it wouldn’t happen, but she made me feel like the worst, most ungrateful daughter in the world. At one point she said she knew DH was the main stumbling block - and I said that honestly even if I was on my own with the DC I don’t think I would want to live together - and that went down like a lead balloon. She said I’m selfish and never consider her, and then started asking if there were courses she could go on to learn to be ‘hard’ and not to care about people. I don’t know what to do. I CANNOT do this but I don’t know how to make her accept that, and accept that I’m not evil for not wanting to. Or am I just being horrible? She says it’s jsut what people ‘do’ with elderly parents who’re alone (though she’s not elderly - she’s 61 ffs) but I don’t think it is? I don’t know anyone else in this position!!

OP posts:
lolarose896 · 26/09/2018 21:16

Nope Nope Nope -do not do it!!

Cath2907 · 26/09/2018 21:18

61????? My parents are in their 70s and are healthy, vigorous people. I don’t imagine they’ll need “care” for many years! Don’t do this. Try “over my dead body!”

AbbieLexie · 26/09/2018 21:20

We are in the same boat so fully empathise. We are an hour away. We've come to realise to even be in the same city also wouldn't work.
I like your email but I think you need to be stronger / harsher in it so there is no room for dubiety. At times you are far too nice - kind.

AuntBeastie · 26/09/2018 21:22

She sounds awful - so selfish and manipulative. All you can do is stick to your guns with all your might because to concede would be life ruining

SummerIsEasy · 26/09/2018 21:24

At 59, I am close in age to your DM and still working. DD lives with us as she is a mature student, but will move out in the new year with her BF when she qualifies and takes up a nursing post.

Although married, I have plans in place already for how I will fill my time when retiring in 7 years time. Wasting time on intrusion into my children’s lives is not part of this, although I have made it clear childcare will be offered for free once no longer working.

Your Mum needs to get some interests of her own and contribute to wider society if she no longer works.

SpikyCactus · 26/09/2018 21:25

You could end up in a very difficult situation if your DM needs care in the future. You’ll end up being solely responsible for her and having to care for her. Your sister won’t do her share if your DM lives with you. And if she had to go into a care home you could end up losing your house if they demand her share to cover care costs. That’s before you even consider the previous issues you’ve had with her and the fact you don’t want to live with her. Tell her no.

delphguelph · 26/09/2018 21:25

Sounds horrendous.

Say no.

Mummyoflittledragon · 26/09/2018 21:34

I think your mother is going to find that email far too hard to bear. I’ve fried writing that sort of thing to my mother. She can’t hear anything said about her. She finds everything a personal attack. An unmanipulative person would be mortified receiving something like this and want to get to the bottom of it. Your mother is going to see the letter as one big rant. This is how I imagine my mother would read your letter:

  1. you upset me today
  2. I don’t and can’t understand you
  3. you weren’t nice to me when I was post natal
  4. you blackmail and manipulate
  5. you dont care about my feelings
  6. It’s your fault I’m even more persuaded now I don’t want to live with you
  7. you are broken
  8. leave me alone until I decide I want to talk to you.

I think you should try more of a shit sandwich. And leave out all of the you’s. Talk about yourself. ‘I’. Something similar to this.

Mum I love you very much and I don’t like how we left things today. There were words said, which were very hurtful. I have taken a great deal of time to think about whether it is possible to live together and I really don’t see how we can. Last time was too much to bear and I am deeply concerned that my mental health will drastically change and leave my marriage in difficulty. We are just so different in many ways and yet so similar in others and because of this I think living together just cannot work. We all love you very much and care deeply that you are struggling. (Then talk about Christmas, doing something with her as a family and finish the letter).

Sunnymeg · 26/09/2018 21:37

It is a non starter due to the fact you may have to sell your joint property in the future to release her money to pay care costs. Just tell her that and never mention it again.

MyHusbandSaysIHave1000MNNames · 26/09/2018 21:46

@JasnahKholin

"-She’s been watching some tv programme about American families doing this."

I'm American, this isn't common in America.

NO, JUST NO, DON'T DO IT. I think it will ruin your mental health and marriage and she sounds pretty awful.

Awhile back my MIL had that fabulous idea, except she wanted a house share with us, our baby daughter, and my husband's brother and sister, both adults as well.

We own a flat and she owns a house, we felt like she just wanted to use us as an easier way to get his siblings on the housing ladder. Both of them could be on it if they hadn't been irresponsible with gifts of money they received and the chance to save up while living with their Mum.

But more importantly is that we can both only handle my MIL in short bursts. She is very different then us and attempts to be controlling in weird ways. I think it bothers her that she has zero control over my husband, unlike her other two children.

PanamaPattie · 26/09/2018 21:49

Your response is good- but don't say you're sorry.

MyHusbandSaysIHave1000MNNames · 26/09/2018 21:51

I wouldn't send that email, I wouldn't be seeing or talking to her anytime soon either. I don't know exactly what she said to you but I'm guessing it was quite awful.

When you are ready to talk to her again then just wait until she brings it up and say "No, that's not going to work for us." Rinse, repeat.

PanamaPattie · 26/09/2018 21:51

....and don't tell that you love her. She will come back with " if you really loved me you would do as I say".

Bluelady · 26/09/2018 22:07

Please don't do it - not for your sake as much as hers. She's way too young to do this. I'm older than her and the thought of what she's proposing makes my blood run cold. She needs a place of her own and a life of her own, friends. She could get a job, do a degree, travel, she needs to expand her horizons, not shrink them to your family.

shiningstar2 · 26/09/2018 22:08

My cousin had both of her parents living with her and their two teenage kids for the last 10 years of their lives. Came when aged late 70s died aged late 80s. Her parents paid for extensions to the original house and they were the most easy going couple in the world. Cousin an only child so no issues regarding assets ext.

My mother is the sister of my cousins sister but she is an entirely different kettle of fish. Love her but she is very bossy. Neither me or my husband could live in the same house. She's 87 now...still drives locally in daylight only and thankfully very independent. I'm there for her when she's ill. Left husband to stay overnight for several nights when she'd been in hospital and will always do what I can for her but live with her? No No and No again!

Good luck OP. Stick to your guns because once it's done it's done. The financial implications of unravelling a joint house would be a nightmare. Do what you can for her but keep your relationship with DH
out of it ...you can only do that in seperate homes.

DisappearingGirl · 26/09/2018 22:15

Noooo don't do it!

You are already seeing her multiple times a week. You can't be personally entirely solve her being lonely. Yes you can spend time with her etc. But she needs to be responsible for her own happiness.

As to your email ... you know the dynamic better ... but personally I would give yourself a day or two to calm down before sending anything. Then maybe send something less emotional? Eg just wanted to make clear after discussion the other day, I'm afraid living together wouldn't work for us so it's not something we'd ever consider. And calmly repeat similar every time she mentions it.

Again ... Don't do it!!!

Helipad · 26/09/2018 22:22

OP, your DM still won’t be happy if you’d move in together with her. She’s like a broken dish, more and more you pour in, it’s never enough. She’ll still feel lonely will think she’s entitled to your couple/friends etc time in the evenings and weekends.

My DM is very similar, it was a real light bulb moment when I realised she’s a broken dish and I’ll never be able to make her happy.

golondrina · 26/09/2018 22:25

OMG NOOOO! I did it. It went very badly. Have now been estranged for 4 years. She sounds exactly like mine. No.

JasnahKholin · 26/09/2018 22:28

Thank you all so much for the good advice. I’m going to sit on sending anything for a little while as I’m definitely still too emotional. I’m so angry and hurt about the whole thing but also feel guilty and desperately sorry for her as well. Ugh.

Incidentally @SpikyCactus do I know you in RL?? I don’t think I’ve mentioned DSis on this thread but you are quite right and she absolutely will do bugger all whether or not DM lives with us! Now slightly worried I’ve outed myself Blush.

OP posts:
DontCallMeCharlotte · 26/09/2018 22:53

shiningstar2

My mother is the sister of my cousins sister

Sorry to derail thread but can you clarify, as it looks like your mother is your cousin?

TemptressofWaikiki · 26/09/2018 23:09

My best friend faced very similar emotional blackmail for years and her mum is also still quite young. She was always railroaded by her bully of a mother. But it got worse when she was totally sleep deprived and struggling with PND too. One day, she snapped and shouted at her DM that she had fucked up her own marriage but she would not let her destroy hers. Her DM told her she would not speak to her till she apologised and flounced off. My friend has been enjoying the peace and quiet ever since... Grin

Andro · 26/09/2018 23:20

She's 61, unless there is significant physical or mental impairment a granny annex will likely attract at least a 50% council tax banding.

shiningstar2 · 26/09/2018 23:36

Don't call me Charlotte

Sorry I just realized my error. I meant to say My mother is the sister of my cousins mother.

Haireverywhere · 26/09/2018 23:41

OP delete that post (about your sister) and it's problem solved as no-one else picked up on it.

TheFlis12345 · 27/09/2018 00:00

She thinks it's the done thing because she has seen American families on TV doing it? Point out to her that she is only a few months older than Madonna and I can't see her playing the OAP card!

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