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Not to want to buy a house with DM?

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JasnahKholin · 26/09/2018 20:18

DM and I had an argument today (or rather she ranted and I said very little, which is usually how it goes). She wants us to sell up and chip in to buy a house with her. Her reasoning as follows:

  1. We could afford something much better together (true - probably a large house and garden with a decent sized annexe. She is currently in a 4 bed detached and we are in a small flat)
  2. She would be around to help with childcare as DH and I are both shift workers (sort of true - but she finds it very difficult to look after both DCs at once, doesn’t often as we don’t ask. Don’t think that would change.)
  3. It would be cheaper otherwise as only one set of council tax etc
  4. Fundamentally and most importantly - she is lonely. She hates living alone. My dad left her 10 years ago and she has never really got over it. She currently lives half an hour away. We see her at least once if not twice a week but she thinks it is not enough. She says she would never have left one of her parents living alone.

My reasons for not:

  1. We did briefly move in with her just before and after we had DS1 while we were house-hunting and it was horrific. She was incredibly controlling and unsupportive and the whole situation hugely contributed to my developing PND. She acknowledges that didn’t go well but says it was my fault as I was in ‘a funny place mentally’, (so nothing to do with her constantly hassling me to stop breastfeeding and waking me up whenever I managed to nap while the baby did as I ‘should be up and about’ Hmm ) and says it would be different if we were in a main house/ annexe type situation with own kitchens etc. I don’t think it would be.
  2. DH doesn’t want to. Because of above. He has in fact said over his dead body will he ever live with her again. She does not accept he gets an equal say in this.
  3. She is incredibly wearing and negative. (Admittedly mostly because she is lonely), but I find spending time with her incredibly draining. She also undermines my parenting.
  4. Purely practicallly, I don’t want to settle in this area for ever. I’d like to be free to move around over the next few years and don’t want the added complication of either having to move all together or extricate ourselves financially.
  5. I don’t think any house we bought with her, regardless of the arrangements of who was living where, would ever feel like ours, because she would take over.

I do feel really bad. I’m actually very pro extended family living together- I can see how of it works for all involved the benefits are huge. She is desperately unhappy and I know it would partially relieved if we did this (though I think not as wholly as she thinks it would be). But I can’t do it. It would put an incredible strain on my and DH’s relationship and would quite possibly destroy my mental health. I was very clear today that it wouldn’t happen, but she made me feel like the worst, most ungrateful daughter in the world. At one point she said she knew DH was the main stumbling block - and I said that honestly even if I was on my own with the DC I don’t think I would want to live together - and that went down like a lead balloon. She said I’m selfish and never consider her, and then started asking if there were courses she could go on to learn to be ‘hard’ and not to care about people. I don’t know what to do. I CANNOT do this but I don’t know how to make her accept that, and accept that I’m not evil for not wanting to. Or am I just being horrible? She says it’s jsut what people ‘do’ with elderly parents who’re alone (though she’s not elderly - she’s 61 ffs) but I don’t think it is? I don’t know anyone else in this position!!

OP posts:
RandomMess · 26/09/2018 20:35

Have you been blunt

"Moving in with us isn't going to happen and you need to find a different solution to your loneliness/misery"

shouldwestayorshouldwego · 26/09/2018 20:36

It could be for 30 years. Your children could have grown up, left home and you could have grandchildren. I would go with the 'we really don't know where we will emigrate to our jobs will take us to over the next ten years and the housing market is a bit precarious at the moment to be committing to a big house purchase if it isn't going to be for a long term investment.

HollowTalk · 26/09/2018 20:36

I'm laughing, really, that she's 61 and acting like she's 90.

She needs to get out more, literally. Could you focus on ways she could make new friends?

DontCallMeCharlotte · 26/09/2018 20:37

Tell her you don't want to cramp her style when she has a sex life? Play on her "youth". Remind her that a lot of 61 year old are still working etc etc.

Maybe go "grey rock" whenever she brings it up.

Also if you have separate kitchens etc, there may still be two lots of council tax.

Foodylicious · 26/09/2018 20:37

You are not responsible for her.
Not responsible for her emotions, reactions or her actions.

She might need to fill her life with more stuff. It is not for her to expect you to fill that void.

All families are different and you need to do what works for you

OrdinarySnowflake · 26/09/2018 20:38

YANBU - broken record time "I know you want us to all live together, but we don't want to." "No, we think we'll hate it and don't want to." "After last time, I don't want to live with you again, but we could look at living closer together." "one big house doesn't work for us, we don't want to all move in together, so separate houses makes more sense."

Not "it wouldn't work" or practical reasons - "I/we don't want to" - 'why' being answered with "I think I'd hate living with you again. It'll be terrible and I don't want to try."

Repeat.

Merryoldgoat · 26/09/2018 20:41

‘I don’t want to live with you’

That’s it. If she asks ‘why’ then be honest - she frankly sounds awful.

agnurse · 26/09/2018 20:41

What has me very concerned is your statement that "I know she's desperately unhappy and...it would be partially relieved if we did this."

You're not responsible for her happiness. If she's not happy SHE needs to decide to make some changes in her life. She doesn't have the right to dictate to you, a cognitively intact adult, where you will live relative to her. Moreover, it would be very inappropriate for you to sacrifice your own mental health for her happiness, ESPECIALLY if you have young children.

I suggest that if she starts on this, you might just simply say, "Mum, that's not happening. If you continue on about this, I'm going to end this conversation." Then, if she continues to rant, end it.

You're not obliged to take her abuse just because she's unhappy. She can go talk to a therapist for that. Moreover, if her unhappiness isn't just down to her living situation, moving her in with you isn't going to fix it - at least not completely.

GladysKnight · 26/09/2018 20:42

Good gracious. She was only 51 when your dad left! There is absolutely no excuse for trying to make you responsible for her happiness - she sounds like she's not poor either, with a four-bed house.

I am only really responding because I too am 61 - and the thought of trying to emotionally blackmail one of my DCs into sharing a house with me is - well - mortifying!! Along with all the very valid comments above, I would add that she seems to have no self-respect. Certainly she is acting like she has none.

She's making you feel bad as she has probably trained you to eel bad not giving in to her from an early age. She's pushing it too far this time.

"No Mum that wouldn't work for us. We have made our decision. It's final. I'm not going to discuss it any more."

LucyMorningStar · 26/09/2018 20:43

Urgh that sound horrendous OP. I know it's probably a silly though but can you swap? She lives alone in your flat and you take the house? Sorry if this is nonsense Blush

needsahouseboy · 26/09/2018 20:46

Do not do it. My 2 friends did this. They are now in a world of hostility and grief and the relationship between Mum, Son and Son-in-Law plus their 2 children is damaged beyond repair.

They are more than likely going to have to walk away with nothing after 15 years of paying the mortgage by themselves. Utter utter nightmare.

Gemini69 · 26/09/2018 20:49

OP... as many posters have said on here countless times....

NO is a full sentence... Flowers

mumsastudent · 26/09/2018 20:53

she will have to pay a proportion of separate council tax (she probably will get some discount) so there wont be as much savings there as she thinks - But DONT DO IT - she isn't good for your mental health/well being

RedPanda2 · 26/09/2018 20:54

It's so awful when parents put this kind of burden on their children. Her loneliness is not your responsibility! She is relatively young but seems to want to act like a frail elderly person.

M0veOntheG0 · 26/09/2018 20:55

Does your DM have any hobbies, volunteer, friends, work ? I know a few people that have done this, however the agreement has been mutual and the agreements have lasted many, many years. Does she have any pets ? I agree that she is responsible for her own happiness. What would she do if you lived many miles away

Aquamarine1029 · 26/09/2018 20:56

Every single time she brings this up, say "No, this is never going to happen" and don't say another word. No reasons why, nothing. If she continues or kicks off, tell her you're hanging up/leaving and then DO IT.

JasnahKholin · 26/09/2018 20:59

Thank you for all the replies - sorry for not responding individually but I’m too faffy to concentrate. I’m actually getting more and more angry about how she was this afternoon. And DH is at work so not here to talk me down 🙄. I’ve drafted the following but worried sending it will cause ww3. Not sure if better just to leave it:

Hi Mum,

I wanted to talk to you about earlier. The way you behaved this afternoon has really upset me.
I know you are lonely, and I’m sorry for that. But moving in with us is not the answer, and it’s not something I’m prepared to do, now or realistically ever. I know you think I don’t understand how hard things have been for you since dad left, and that is probably true. But again I can’t actually fix that.
Living with you after (DS1) was born did not work. It put a big strain on both (DH) and my relationship and my mental health, and neither is something I’m prepared to risk again.
It think it was very unfair of you to try to emotionally blackmail and manipulate me into doing this when I told you I didn’t want to. Some of the things you said today were very hurtful, and to be honest did absolutely nothing to persuade me that living together would be a good idea.
As I say, I am sorry that I can’t fix this for you, and I know this message will upset you even more, but I didn’t want to leave any room for misunderstanding about this. I’d really appreciate a few days space to calm down, and then I think it’s best if this isn’t raised again.

I love you and I’ll call you at the weekend,
(Jasnah)

OP posts:
Lemons1571 · 26/09/2018 21:00

I also think she’ll use the fact that she’s sold a 4 bed house and you a flat, against you. Saying that she paid for most of the place so you can’t tell her not to come into your bit.

My mum always used to say I sounded hard. She was big on perceived imagined slights though (usually “the way I said something” or “the way I looked at her”. Wish I’d had mumsnet back then as I never realised it was emotional blackmail.

eelbecomingforyou · 26/09/2018 21:00

Omg. Ask her who she knows has done this and has it worked for them?

Yanbu at all. Moving in with her would be a disaster. You’re not responsible for her happiness. She is. She’s only 61 - she should still be working! Gawd.

Just shut her down every time she mentions it. Leave if she doesn’t stop going on. But she sounds pretty thick-skinned. At least you and dh are on the same page...

PutSomePantsOn · 26/09/2018 21:01

What about one of those McCarthy & Stone type retirement complexes? We have one near us and it looks pretty smart. I think there's arduous options so a fit 61 year old can be accommodated as can those needing more help.

Not cheap i would imagine but worth thinking about?

XingMing · 26/09/2018 21:01

I think you already know the answer here. FWIW, I am older than your DM, and I think you should keep a sensible distance. Within a 30m minute driving radius, assuming you drive and have a car, but not on the doorstep. Okay for emergencies, but not constantly available. Hope this is helpful.

TheBouquets · 26/09/2018 21:03

I am more in the position of the DM is this scenario. However, there is no way on this planet that I would live with any of my DCs. I can feel the DMs point of view. He DH left her years ago, likely her parents will have died so the only family she has now will be DCs. OP might be an only child or the only child living relatively nearby. It would be natural to turn to the nearest relative. I get that.
In my case I would be getting into things which would not be my usual choices. I would be seen as a cash cow. So I would not even mention such a thing to my DCs. I just would not want to do it in reality but as a fairy story it does sound nice. Perhaps the DM is looking at this with rose tinted specs. The theory might be nice but reality would be hell on legs.

eelbecomingforyou · 26/09/2018 21:04

Your email is good. I’d add an example if something she did that really upset you, and delete the bit about ‘I know this letter will upset you’ . Good luck.

Wallywobbles · 26/09/2018 21:05

Good response.

Tartyflette · 26/09/2018 21:12

Jesus wept. I'm about the same age and your DM and her attitude made me cringe.
She sounds like an entitled, moaning nightmare of a woman and you're doing well to stay out of it. Even in the unlikely event of you warming to the idea the fact that it's a huge NO from your DH should scupper the plan once and for all.
And she's only 61 but she can't manage to look after more than one DC? Does she have health problems you haven't mentioned?
Finally has she considered looking at housing for the over 55s or over 60s like an apartment in a converted manor house-type-of-thing where there are activities, outings and social events for residents? Plus things like communal dining available if you want it, lovely grounds, sporting facilities etc?
If I was on my own it's definitely the sort of thing I'd consider.