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Macron's behaviour is despicable Part two

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Snowymountainsalways · 22/09/2018 09:01

The thread was closed as it has exceeded 1000 posts.

I have reopened another one in hope that we will be able to discuss with honesty the Salzburg summit, both sides of the brexit debate and with cordiality. This is not a place for venting. Please do that elsewhere. This is a place for polite debate and conversation.

Around dinner tables and on the touch lines we are talking about the future of the brexit deal, if there is a future with the EU or not and what the options are for us now.

I voted to remain, and I am unhappy with the impasse. I had expected and hoped for progress. It did not happen.

Macron descended into name calling, and Tusk posted jokes and photos that are not in the least bit funny about a diabetic person. It was unsettling and disturbing to see how disrespectful they were to our PM TM. So we consider where we are this morning.

Thoughts?

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Snowymountainsalways · 22/09/2018 16:01

Thank you for your thoughtful and considered post indistinct

The Canadian option could be used with a soft border. It is entirely possible to consider the options more carefully

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PerkingFaintly · 22/09/2018 16:04

No thanks to me, then, for my thoughtful and considered post, Snowymountainsalways? After I've specifically said I want to listen to your ideas?

I repeat, you said on the previous thread that you were passionately in favour of the EU, and that you disagreed with your friends who voted leave.

It would be really helpful if you shared some of the pro-EU points you put to your friends. And their pro-leave points that you thought were wrong – and why.

EthelThePiratesDaughter · 22/09/2018 16:10

You mention on the thread you earned around 50 grand a year?

We have been living on far far far far far far far far less than that.

Unfortunately that means that you will be really super fucked by Brexit whereas I will be OK.

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Snowymountainsalways · 22/09/2018 16:10

indistinct Can I ask you why you feel that relations are even open to the talks needed to get any option brokered in the time frame?

And what do you say to those saying the EU are choosing to make it difficult for us?

The impasse described by TM was chilling. The no deal looms.

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PerkingFaintly · 22/09/2018 16:11

It would be very helpful to the thread for you to do that, Snowymountainsalways.

If you would tell us what you were passionate about in the EU, we could better understand where you wanted the EU to go next. And where you wanted the UK to go. We could build on your ideas.

It's most odd that you have now ignored me asking you this, very politely, three or four times.

maxthemartian · 22/09/2018 16:12

What they have been up to is faffing around wasting time on reminders who don't want to leave

I'd be very interested to see some examples of where this has happened, as I've personally been under the impression, with all the "will of the people" talk, that the views of remainers have been forgotten in all of this.

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Snowymountainsalways · 22/09/2018 16:14

PerkingFaintly I have already covered this. The main differences between my leave friends and I is that I believe immigration to be a good thing, in fact an essential requirement to our country. Many of my leave friends feel there has been far too much immigration and the infrastructure is struggling to support them. They are parents with children in classes of 35 plus with the teacher unable to communicate with the children due to language difficulties. Getting drs apps etc.
I understand this is an issue for them. I, on the other hand feel that immigration has helped our country become prosperous. Indeed the hospitals wouldn't manage without them.

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Snowymountainsalways · 22/09/2018 16:18

ethel. Unfortunately that means that you will be really super fucked by Brexit whereas I will be OK

And it is precisely this kind of hateful language that we could all do without. Can you not go and shout on the express forum?

autumnwindy I don't think for one minute this will be the case. If you are really in trouble financially I guess you can feel there is nothing to lose? Or maybe you are looking long term?

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PerkingFaintly · 22/09/2018 16:19

I'm sorry if you've answered it somewhere and I've missed it.

So your passion about the EU and Britain's membership is primarily that you would like to see plenty of immigration? We don't actually need to be in the EU to have that.

Is there anything else that you feel passionately pro-EU about?

Mistigri · 22/09/2018 16:20

The Canadian option could be used with a soft border. It is entirely possible to consider the options more carefully

Canadian option needs the Irish backstop, which the UK (not the EU) is refusing.

Mookatron · 22/09/2018 16:20

And yet every time you explain, your positive 'opinion' of immigration gets approximately 1/10 of the screen space that your 'friends'' negative opinions get.

Getting those opinions on screen seems to be the main thing.

Bombardier25966 · 22/09/2018 16:22

Why is @Ethel's comment hateful? She's spot on, those least well off will be worst hit by leaving the EU.

surferjet · 22/09/2018 16:24

Op honestly I would give up arguing with these people. They won’t be happy with anything other than staying in, that isn’t going to happen ( & they know it ) so they spend their lives online attacking leave voters, or anyone who isn’t Sir Vince Cable.
Most leavers just dip in out of threads now not getting too involved.

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Snowymountainsalways · 22/09/2018 16:25

You asked for our differing opinions, so I am explaining that immigration was the key stumbling block between us. We all agree on the other things such as trading, free movement for students to difference countries, security ties etc. I have lived in France and Spain for years. We still have a family house there, be it a run down old thing that could do with an upgrade (nothing fancy thats for sure)

I am not sure what you are driving at, but I am getting tired of saying the same things.

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maxthemartian · 22/09/2018 16:30

ethel. Unfortunately that means that you will be really super fucked by Brexit whereas I will be OK

And it is precisely this kind of hateful language that we could all do without. Can you not go and shout on the express forum?

Ethel was stating a fact. Why have you chosen to interpret this as hateful @Snowymountainsalways?

"Hateful", "extremist".... definitely some key words here.

Bombardier25966 · 22/09/2018 16:32

Where are the attacks @surferjet?

I think Cable is an opportunist sell out, he won't be getting any praise from me.

EthelThePiratesDaughter · 22/09/2018 16:35

I said "unfortunately" the OP and people on low incomes would be worse hit. I'm not happy about it!

prettybird · 22/09/2018 16:37

Ethel's comment is the very antithesis of hateful [conused]

She unlike many Leavers is expressing concern that those on less money than her will be badly affected by Brexit - even though she herself will not be badly affected (not least because she fortunately doesn't currently live in the UK). It's called empathy. She could have gloated "I'm all right Jacques Jack" but didn't.

The hateful comments are from those Leavers (like JRM) who say that it may take up to 50 years for the economy to recover (having off-shored their own funds and/or advised their clients to do so Angry), after having claimed (like the disgraced Liam Fox) that it was going to the "easiest deal in history" and promised £350 million extra per week for the NHS (which, quite apart from having been a lie - as they were reminded by the ONS, has already been lost and more in reduced growth, reduced FDI and the costs of preparing for I hesitate to use the word "planning" Brexit). Those who are already on the breadline, let along the JAM, are indeed going to be fucked when there is even less money to go around, having already suffered years of austerity and the rich getting richer Sad

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Snowymountainsalways · 22/09/2018 16:44

You know what guys. I am out, because you are taking this down to the lowest level as always.

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GirlsBlouse17 · 22/09/2018 16:47

Just wondering how long it would take to build a physical border on the NI border assuming there is going to be a No Deal with the EU. I have a feeling building work should have started by now if it is to be completed by March next year!

maxthemartian · 22/09/2018 16:47

Actually this has been relatively polite, with interesting contributions from some very articulate and well-informed posters.

prettybird · 22/09/2018 16:48

I wonder which it is: asked too many awkward questions or had to many inconsistencies pointed out? Or both? Hmm

changehere · 22/09/2018 16:55

What time is it in Russia now? Signing out before the shift ends?

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Snowymountainsalways · 22/09/2018 17:06

No offence but I have a life and children to care for, I haven't got all day to post about brexit. Have a good weekend.

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pointythings · 22/09/2018 17:18

I haven't got all day to post about brexit.

GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrin

You did yesterday and for most of today...

I repeat: Macron did nothing but say it as it is. And the UK has done nothing but demand that the EU change the rules in order to give it what it wants because it's leaving.

This is the UK's problem to solve, completely. Shame they are still stuck on 'Empire' and 'Don't They Know Who We Are?'