To be slightly fed up of white people doing this

[TacoLover]

Every time there is a thread discussing racism, there will be a mention of white privilege. Cue a flurry of hurt posters writing essays about how stupid the idea of white privilege is and how it doesn't exist, because their lives are so hard and they grew up on a few pieces of bread and a Red Bull

This really gets on my tits because after seeing this shit time and time again, THIS ISN'T WHAT WHITE PRIVILEGE MEANS. It doesn't mean your life isn't hard, it doesn't mean you don't face barriers in your life. What it does mean is the barriers in your life will never or hardly ever be a result of the colour of your skin. It doesn't mean you live in a mansion because you're white.

Just needed to get that out,sorry. I'm sure my only replies will be white people telling me how racist I am for only targeting them(Even though this is something that only white people do)

What about the poor white girls in Rotherham? I’m sure they don’t feel they are white privileged?

What about not whataboutering?

There will always be exceptions to the rules.
As I said before, it's a problem of averages, not individual cases.

@Havaina

As if on cue. the attempts to denounce OP as a troll start, because people don't like what they're hearing...

Don't put words in my mouth, I never SAID the OP was a troll.

I just told her to bore off, and said how ironic her post was.

So BORE OFF with your shit stirring, and putting words in my mouth!

I am glad you support the OP and her rancid, bigoted posts.

I, however, do NOT. Her posts are disgusting.

And the SUPREME irony and hilarity of people dismissing ANY bad stuff that has ever happened to white people, (which is plenty!) because it doesn't suit their sly and nasty white-bashing agenda.

I think that a good example of white privilege In the wealthy is the difference between the treatment of Melania Trump and Michelle Obama. The worst comments that I've seen about the former is about her fashion - that coat, stilettos at the wrong moment etc where as with Michelle, it's been far worse despite her never putting a foot wrong. If she'd worn that coat, I am in no doubt that she wouldn't be treated the same.

It's gobsmacking that anyone could find this topic tiresome but it's easy to say that when you benefit from the status quo,

But Lweji you state it as fact.

^What white privilege means is:
A middle class child of a Nigerian surgeon in Hertfordshire (on average) doesn't have the same bright future than the middle class child of a white British surgeon in Hertfordshire^

If you wanted to make it an example of a hypothetical comparison, you could have said something like:

A comparison might be to claim that a middle class child of a Nigerian surgeon in Hertfordshire (on average) wouldn't have the same bright future that a middle class child of a white British surgeon in Hertfordshire might have, and here are the stats to prove it etc etc etc

What assertion have I made that I haven't backed up?

@lindalee I do not think irony means what you think it does.

I'm interested in how you measure advantage/disadvantage, as you are the person arguing that workplace schemes to give me and others like me a boost based on our skin colour are necessary because we are 'disadvantaged' as an ethnic group.

I'm not. Those schemes exist because it has been proven that such disadvantages exist for the group.

Using the example of a previous poster, how do you justify a system where a black son of a surgeon is eligible for a workplace 'fast track' track scheme whilst a white, working class man who grew up on a deprived council estate gets no such help? A hypothetical situation but one that could easily happen.

I can't. And I do believe that, like other attempts at leveling the field, can be clumsy and badly implemented.
But the point is that there are still very few black sons of black surgeons, and many white sons of white surgeons. You will be kidding yourself if you don't think those white sons aren't given an non-official fast track.

Compare yourself (and your black mates) with your white mates with the same background.
Have you been given the same opportunities?

But, what seems to me is that class increases the divide. My understanding is that the gap is more evident when people come from working classes, or from backgrounds with less financial resources.

This is Social Marxism at its finest.

For all those that believe in white privilege. Replace the words white with bourgeoisie and any minority you're thinking of as the proletariat. And you've got the communist arguments of the 1960's.

Poor whites are amongst the worst off in the country: clearly being white isn't the privilege here.

Class or wealth is the driver in the UK

We don't really have white privilege in the UK, not at anywhere near the level we have classism. It's an American thing. In the US, whites are at the top of everything. In the UK, they're not, but we do so love to import American political ideas and problems into this country regardless of whether they actually make any sense.

Are schemes that offer so called “affirmative action” perfect? No. Might they offer assistance to people who don’t really need it on occasion? Sure. Are they worse than accepting the fact that discrimination against BAME people is inevitable and doing bugger all about it? I don’t think so.

I think diamoncity1's post was explicitly racist and intended to be so. She hasn't been back to explain it.

Karyatide I'm mixed race and I find it incredibly tiring to keep being told how racially disadvantaged I am. Pretty much every member of my family feels the same way.

Remi Adekoya talks at length about this exact thing and how it ultimately holds black people back.

Poor whites are amongst the worst off in the country: clearly being white isn't the privilege here.

Evidence that poor white people are worse off than poor black people?

Interestingly anecdote, I hope. DH is a white middle class oxbridge man working in the City.

I don’t think he and his colleagues get the privilege thing at all. They’re part of the dominant culture - to them it’s normal and they don’t see it.

DH does get the white privilege point though because growing up in London he said every single time he was in a car with a black or Asian friend at night the police pulled them over. Every time.

It’s a shame people have to experience it to believe it. We could just try listening with an open mind. It’s not a personal attack.

The back ups:

www.cipd.co.uk/Images/addressing-the-barriers-to-BAME-employee-career-progression-to-the-top_tcm18-33336.pdf

I'm in the UK, and grew up in the 70s with my big brother constantly being stopped in his Cortina for Driving While Young And Black.

He wasn't in danger of being shot (UK in the seventies), but this youtube about the US really struck a chord with me. How many white actors with LeVar Burton's level of fame and status have had to teach their sons how to be stopped by police without getting shot?

It's not about how much money you have, or how privileged or oppressed you are in other ways (Burton has money, fame, status, won't live in a dodgy neighbourhood, will be driving a nice car - although to some cops that's a This Black Man Is Clearly A Criminal signal it itself), but about how Black people in exactly the same circs are liable to be treated very different to white people.

I would like to add to my previous post that my daughter, who had 8 A*s, and 2 As at GCSE, four As at AS level and three As at A level with a distinction in English S level found herself without an offer for university because all of the universities to which she applied were admitting students with lower grades to 'level the playing field'.

Because of this, she had a breakdown, was ill for months and only just forced herself to recover in time to do the work to get the three As at A level as she is a trooper.

You want unfairness? There you go.

Did she whinge? No, she got on with it.

We don't really have white privilege in the UK

From the study I shared earlier:

• black people 6.5 times more likely to be stopped and searched for drugs despite black people using fewer drugs
• black people more than 1.5x more likely to be charged for possessing a class A drug than white people

No white privilege? Really?

But deathgrip you are presenting a false dichotomy by saying that the only alternatives are either to accept these flawed and racist 'affirmative action' schemes, or do nothing about racism.

There are literally thousands of other courses of action open to us as a society.

In the UK, they're not

I have family members who have deliberately given their newborns "white-sounding" names, rather than traditional family names, in order to help them apply for jobs in twenty years' time. I've got a friend who got an interview instantly, after changing his name by deed poll to a white-sounding name instead of his clearly Arabic name, because it let him get to the interview stage instead of being rejected solely on the basis of his CV.

You want unfairness? There you go.

Do you have any idea what some of those pupils with lower grades may have had to overcome?
It's not a perfect system, but without some of that "unfairness", some bright students would still be caught up in the vicious circle of race and economic disadvantage.
Lower grades does not necessarily mean they are less capable of worthy of entering university.

I give up. You insist on evidence to refute your assertions - when it’s presented you change the subject.

I didn’t say they were the only options, at all.

But the point is that there are still very few black sons of black surgeons, and many white sons of white surgeons. You will be kidding yourself if you don't think those white sons aren't given an non-official fast track.

It does depend which area of the UK you live in. In my area a majority of surgeons and consultants are BAME and their children are in turn generally highly educated and statistially likely to do well and go into high performing careers (there is a very high performing private school next to the hospital that has many children of medical families).

However the picture in a different area would be very different. When I went to university I was shocked that my housemates refused to register at the local doctors surgery because they didn't want an asian or Indian doctor. In my area almost all the GP's were of Pakistani or Indian origin so I'd never known anything different.