Katie Hopkins

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Given the vile posting she made some yeara ago about people in debt, AIBU to enjoy the epicaricasy of watching her apply for an IVA to avoid bankruptcy?

You’ve got a point ButchyRestingFace, I’m sure her own attitudes and people’s reactions to her (ie school friend’s parents) won’t have done them any favours.

Poor weans, it’s not their fault their mother is so horrid.

no more hardship than what they already must experience on account on their terrible choice of mother.

Nitpicking, maybe, but they didn't choose her. I wonder what their relationship is and how it's going to evolve as they grow into adulthood.

Well I still feel sorry for KH and her struggle with epilepsy and a brain tumour. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone! Left wingers seem to lack empathy for anyone who doesn’t share their political views

Bizarre thing to say, user. Where have you seen anyone on here, left or right, saying that they would wish epilepsy and a brain tumour on KH?

Nobody has said anything negative or nasty about KH having epilepsy or a brain tumour. That would make them no better than her!

And actually, saying you feel sorry for someone with a disability is really fucking patronising.

Empathise by all means, but don’t say you feel sorry for them. It sounds awful.

For a start, I'm a solicitor and here I was thinking that you had no sense of humour!

I'm certainly having a good old chortle at your recent contributions...

I think the whole thing has been a ridiculously expensive farce by two women airing their dirty laundry in public. I would have had no idea that KH had said something to upset JM if there hadn't have been a high profile court case about it. I can't see how any of it was actually in the public interest. I heard something about JM saying she read the whole agreement to make sure KH's children weren't damaged by it blah blah, as if that makes her some kind of hero when she could just have been the bigger person and walked away from it all. KH's star was already on the wane and the media market rightly dictated her withdrawal from many of the platforms she had been given. I haven't any sympathy for her plight, but nor do I take pleasure in it. I'm sure she wont end up sleeping in a box anywhere. Her brand of hate will always find a home somewhere.

I believe we have reached dangerous times where vilifying people for holding views that are not your own is acceptable.

I believe we have reached dangerous times where hate speech, blatant racism, homophobia, disablism have become a legitimate mainstream view which, when challenged, give rise to the cry of "snowflake" or "terminally offended" or an accusation of virtue signalling. I don't know when showing virtue became virtue signalling but its a ridiculous phrase.

It is commonplace for anyone who wants to be overtly (and often deliberately) offensive to simply say "oh everyone is offended by everything these days" as if that makes the highly offensive thing they have just said, perfectly acceptable. Nobody is allowed to be offended by anything these days and that is a dangerous place to be.

I believe we have reached dangerous times where hate speech, blatant racism, homophobia, disablism have become a legitimate mainstream view which, when challenged, give rise to the cry of "snowflake" or "terminally offended" or an accusation of virtue signalling

Absolutely.

It has become almost something to aspire to, to be as deliberately cruel and nasty about people or groups of people. When the hell did being a nasty, unempathetic, bigoted and cruel person become the “in thing”???

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Your post on the previous page corroborates everything that I’ve suggested. A case could have been brought against JM for her remarks. I was in no way speculating whether or not this would’ve resulted in financial ruin for JM, political ruin for Cameron - those things are arbitrary to the point and frankly, I couldn’t care less.

Truth and honest opinion are intrinsically linked. It is impossible to prove that JM believes any of her own nonsense. In fact, it’s a massive leap of faith to assume that anyone, particularly someone with a public profile and reputation for ‘spiky’ opinions, actually believes what they’re saying to be factual and didn’t simply make a false statement in an attempt to derail a politician.

It’s almost universally acknowledged that the likes of KH make outlandish statements for personal gain and sensationalist effect. Why is it beyond the realms of possibility that someone on the opposite end of the spectrum like Monroe would do exactly the same?

No doubt you’ll respond to me with another condescending and insulting retort. Clearly you believe yourself to be of superior intellect and I hope that you’re able to continue to live in that particular bubble.

I do really want to know why you’re quite so angry. I hope for your sake that this is an internet persona and you’re a little more pleasant in real life. It’ll be a hard road otherwise.

Dear me alles, so you're now claiming that all you meant upthread by the court comment was that legal structures to make claims for defamation exist, rather than any suggestion that DC might actually lose all modicum of sense and try to use them? If I wasn't laughing before...

But I'm afraid the claim that you weren't speculating is at odds with what you wrote here, which looks very like speculation:

If the Camerons had decided to pursue a case for defamation against JM, I believe that with the backing of friends in high places and finances they’d have been able to throw at it, they probably would have got somewhere.

Or are you going to tell us next that by got somewhere, you just mean the courtroom? And the friends in high places is a taxi driver to get DC there and a pal who'd pay the fare for him?

You’re not making sense now.

In your post on the previous page, you highlighted the reasons why DC would not have pursued JM. In my last post, I stated that I found that to be arbitrary and irrelevant to the point.

My point that you’ve kindly highlighted above was corroborated by your post on the previous page.

You’re arguing with yourself, which makes your condescension even more ridiculous.

No, I'm arguing with someone who showed themselves up making daft claims about the Camerons (not even DC as the alleged defamed person, but his wife too!) bringing highly risky defamation cases against JM, getting somewhere with the help of friends in high places because judges would totally get away with that level of corruption in such a low profile insignificant case, then pretending they meant they were just saying that we have a legal system that allows people to bring claims against each other.

Also you finding something to be arbitrary and irrelevant to the point is irrelevant, given that you don't understand the law of defamation.

I can't see how any of it was actually in the public interest.

Why on earth does it have to be in the public interest, Yabbers?

But I would say that there is a definite public interest in people in the public eye knowing that they will not get away with making seriously defamatory and untrue comments about others, refusing to withdraw those comments when asked, forcing them into an expensive law case to protect themselves, and pursuing a wholly unmeritorious defence to the bitter end.

she could just have been the bigger person and walked away from it all

Why should she? Frankly, people like KH rely on people deciding to walk away from a fight to enable them to carry on being more and more vile, bigoted and offensive.

AllesAusLiebe, of course any case could be brought by anyone misguided enough to do so if they want to disregard their chances of success. But we live in the real world where politicians like Cameron are not going to bring hopeless cases that will leave them with egg all over their faces. Frankly, that is your weakest argument yet.

It's perfectly clear that JM didn't make a false statement in order to smear a politician. The statement that she made was perfectly accurate and justified by the known facts. Trying to suggest she may not have known whether what she said was correct or not really is the equivalent of arguing about angels dancing on the head of a pin. Obviously she knew what she was writing about, it was directly referenced to Cameron's public utterances. We could all see that. It cannot conceivably be equated to KH saying something about JM that bore no factual foundation whatsoever.

YetkshiteHen so saying I feel sorry for someone with a disability is really patronising is it? I never said KH is disabled but pointed out a medical condition she suffers from that effects the brain. Sorry if that offends you but I really couldn’t give a fuck

Racism and Islamophobia are not side effects of epilepsy.

No I don’t suppose they are, but odd behaviour can be a sign of a brain tumour, ie not considering the consequences of a legal fight

She could have alleged in court that her brain function was affected.

The problem is that KH has been producing the same sort of horrible stuff for ages, and it's pretty clear that it's always been a deliberate ploy to get attention and publicity. It would be an extremely unusual tumour that would result in that sort of conduct. And, most materially, KH has never claimed that anything she does is down to medical problems, let alone produced any medical evidence saying that.

Don't care either way but like a PP, I find it hard to believe she personally agreed with her copy. She did seem pretty normal on BB. Perhaps she enjoyed the celebrity of being on The Apprentice and saw an opportunity of marketing the persona she cultivated on it to make big bucks because what else was she going to do? She was unemployable in the normal world with all the negative publicity and being sacked from the Met Office.

Saying that though she obviously lacks empathy, 3 affairs with married men allegedly, lots of bitchy backstabbing on The Apprentice, and she jumped ship before she could be fired iirc.

Shame she didn't think about the effects on her DC before she sold her soul to the devil . Her notoriety will always follow them around. I suppose to her though that's better than being a no one.

I should Imagine she'll find someone willing to publish a book, if she hasn't had one out already.

On a side note, Marine Le Pen has been asked to go through a psychological or psychiatric evaluation on a recent court case over some nasty videos she posted.
She didn't like it.

She has always said controversial things but she appears to be more reckless than before. She has moments of appearing normal and then coming out with the most vile things. She may not be aware that she has suffered brain damage. She has been in denial before about the epilepsy.

so saying I feel sorry for someone with a disability is really patronising is it?

Yes, it is. Why feel sorry for someone? You can empathise without patronising.

Sorry if that offends you but I really couldn’t give a fuck

It doesn’t offend me. Nor does your attempt to offend with that pathetic little jab. Are you done?

Isn’t it interesting when “user157372858573727285843828429394” names are being deliberately offensive.

Shitebag.