Katie Hopkins

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Given the vile posting she made some yeara ago about people in debt, AIBU to enjoy the epicaricasy of watching her apply for an IVA to avoid bankruptcy?

Epicaricacy is interesting. There's not really any notable uses of it until it started showing up in wordy websites listing it as a rare and unknown word.
That seems to have brought it into consciousness and onto those 'Word of the day' apps and websites etc.

Etymology is fun.

Assigned ‘people like me muddying the waters’ are always an inconvenience to people like you who don’t understand what constitutes fact.

I understand that what you just said there is an opinion. And not a very smart one either.

Incidentally, you've still not explained how JM could've been landed in court by correctly stating that DC was using his son to try and deflect criticism of his policies. Do tell.

and not a very smart one either.

I’m not prepared to continue this with you. It didn’t take you long to feel the need to resort to puerile insults when the argument was slipping away from you.

I will respond to your final question. If the Camerons had decided to pursue a case for defamation against JM, I believe that with the backing of friends in high places and finances they’d have been able to throw at it, they probably would have got somewhere.

You seem to have some real issues which I’m guessing relate to personal experience, so I suspect it’s not a good idea to get into any further discussion with you as you will be unable to be detached and objective about this particular topic.

Yes, I rather thought you meant defamation. Clearly you're unfamiliar with the defences.

Truth, for example, is a total defence to defamation. Cameron would've had to take full leave of his senses to risk a court finding that he was using his son to deflect criticism. The press would've had a field day. That kind of risk would make his referendum decision making look positively sensible. So all in all, that's even less convincing than your feeble excuse for flouncing and your claim that DC using Ivan for political purposes isn't a fact.

Clearly you're unfamiliar with the defences Sure, I’m no legal expert. After such a condescending remark, I really hope you can back up your legal knowledge with some substance. I doubt that, however.

Alles and Assigned you’d probably be great friends if you met in RL.

Just saying.

I can’t enjoy watching this
She has children who will be so affected

Yes she bought it on herself yada yada

AtrociousCircumstance I doubt it, but I do love an optimist!

Once again, we’re conflating fact with opinion. Something does not become factual simply because you as an individual believe it to be correct.

What Cameron did and said at the relevant time is a matter of fact. You really cannot get past that. Alles, are you seriously trying to suggest that Atrocious is wrong in saying that truth is a defence to defamation? The existence of the defence of justification is just basic to the law of slander/libel. If your knowledge of defamation is as limited as that, it was very rash indeed of you to give any opinion on whether Cameron would win a defamation claim.

The line about checking Katie's children wouldn't be affected too much just made me cringe. Like she's a saviour or something. Not her business

It sort of was, wasn't it? It appears she had it in her power to go along with an IVA which had provision to protect the children, or to insist on her full pound of flesh regardless of what happened to them. So she had to make a decision, which made it very much her business.

i have no sympathy for her but do feel for her kids

I thought you weren't going to continue this with me Alles...

Anyway, on to backing up my legal knowledge with some substance. For a start, I'm a solicitor. Even if I wasn't though, the Defamation Act is pretty clear on the defences. And it's never a good idea to throw around opinions about whether something is liable to end someone up in court if you've no idea about the law: I can't imagine what made you do that.

But here for your edification is the Act itself:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2013/26/contents/enacted

Note that truth is a total defence and so, if that doesn't work, is honest opinion.

So what we are saying here is that if DC decided to take action for JM against defamation, he'd be exposing himself to the possibility of her defending the claim using one or both of those defences, and thus to discussion in open court about whether he was in the habit of using Ivan to deflect political criticism. Just take a moment to think about how damaging that could've been for him.

Now I know we are talking about someone who ended his own political career through an ill thought out gamble, so he's perhaps more comfortable with entirely unnecessary risk than most, but the referendum did at least have the advantage of potentially benefitting him considerably, if it had worked.

Whereas the absolute best case scenario here if DC decided to pursue the matter all the way to court is him winning (and really, you'd be pretty much looking at the judge nobbling scenario you hint at for them not to accept honest opinion at least) and starting an even bigger public debate about his use of what was a pretty successful rhetorical and political tactic for him, alerting even more people to the fact that he was doing it. Meanwhile bankrupting the single parent of a child along the way, which a lot of people wouldn't like. And being landed with all the legal costs, since JM doesn't have a lot and had even less in 2014. Poor people tend not to get sued for defamation for this very reason. Although I suppose DC could afford it.

But yeah, in summary, let's just say DCs solicitor would've advised against the course of action you mention...

Alles and Assigned you’d probably be great friends if you met in RL.

Nah, I could never be pals with anyone who cba to google the law on defamation before posting about it.

stopfuckingshoutingatme

Her children wouldn’t be affected if she’d just apologised and wound her neck in in the first place.

She risked her children’s future and standard of living over pride.

KlutzyDraconequus

Epicaricacy is interesting. There's not really any notable uses of it until it started showing up in wordy websites listing it as a rare and unknown word.
That seems to have brought it into consciousness and onto those 'Word of the day' apps and websites etc.

Why is your post a cut and paste from Wikipedia?

Why is your post a cut and paste from Wikipedia

Did you mean Wiktionary? I can't find a Wikipedia entry.
I guess it is close:
From Wiktionary:
The word is mentioned in some early dictionaries, but there is little or no evidence of actual usage until it was picked up by various "interesting word" websites around the turn of the twenty-first century

Not really a surprise they're similar. It is the history of the word by all accounts.

Yetalk

I can’t take any
Pleasure in watching a scenario unfold where children will be adversely affected

Be it KH , be it a parent with addiction issues who presumably also ‘bought it in themself’

I hate it - and take no joy in seeing it regardless of the perpetrator

Katie Hopkins is a boil on the butt of humanity and karma is a great thing

Well I still feel sorry for KH and her struggle with epilepsy and a brain tumour. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone! Left wingers seem to lack empathy for anyone who doesn’t share their political views

People with very strong views, whether left, right or religious etc, often have little empathy for the other side,
Hence they minimise what their own side does and claim their opponents lack empathy

look at the horrific online threats of rape & murder directed against women in public life, even threatening their children.
Those threats are especially against feminists and often come from the far right, who are especially active online.

Reportedly half of all the threats against women MPs were made against a single one:
Diane Abbott.

It's all very well and fair enough to feel sorry for her kids. However they won't stave and be queuing up at food Bank any time in the near future wiLl they like 1000s of children's whose parents have had their benefits slashed or completey cut off.
Do you think for a fraction of a second shed feel sorry for them. Did she feel for that poor little baby who's drowned body was washed up on a beach.

For a start, I'm a solicitor and here I was thinking that you had no sense of humour! 😂

Well I still feel sorry for KH and her struggle with epilepsy and a brain tumour. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone! Left wingers seem to lack empathy for anyone who doesn’t share their political views

It's weird how her own struggles left her without empathy for others, though.
Maybe it's a sign of illness, maybe it's not. But if it is, I'd hope those around her, her family and friends, would have stopped her.

I can’t take any
Pleasure in watching a scenario unfold where children will be adversely affected

I’m not taking any pleasure in it. However if you think her children will be in the queue at the local foodbank any time soon, I think you’ve misunderstood.

They are not going to be in any kind of hardship.

They are not going to be in any kind of hardship.

Well, no more hardship than what they already must experience on account on their terrible choice of mother.