To not appreciate Serena using sexism in her arguments against umpire

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Sorry if there is a thread, I did scan four pages to check.

Serena gets coached (which her coach admits) but claims she didn't see it. Then smashes a racquet in separate fit of temper. Then tells the umpire she can't be a cheat because she's a mother(!), he will never referee a match again with her, and he's a thief.

The punishments all seem fine to me and I really felt for Osaka having to apologise in her winners speech. Serena should be saying sorry today IMO.

@Want2bSupermum

So in other words, you are unable to say what the umpire did which was in violation of the rules of tennis. Presumably because he did nothing wrong.

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For what reason should the umpire be ashamed of himself?

Serena is tennis royalty and noblesse oblige. It was a ball boy's throat she threatened to shove a tennis ball down. Telling the umpire that he would never be umpire on her court again was outrageous.

She's done no good whatsoever to the cause of racial or gender equality by her appalling behaviour. Yet there are articles in the Guardian justifying it by saying that critics have a problem with angry black women as if it's racist and misogynist to find fault with the way she behaved.

An umpire's job is to ensure that the game is played fairly and squarely. Every penalty he gave was to compensate her opponent, who had been disadvantaged by her actions. Osaka is a mixed race woman. So how was he being racist or misogynist?

IcedPurple www.theguardian.com/sport/ng-interactive/2018/jul/14/tennis-pay-gap-shouldnt-be-gender-based

It always staggers me when women fight so fervently in denial of sexism, patriarchy and mysoginoir.

What's "mysoginoir"?

IcedPurple

Misogynoir is misogyny directed towards black women where race and gender both play roles in bias.

Strangely enough its not in any dictionary but is on wikipedia and is used as a hashtag. Which probably tells you all you need to know.

Wasn't Serena's opponent also a (half) black woman?

Japanese/Haitian

Why was it racist or sexist or whatever for the referee to caution Serena against being coached? Especially as she was being coached. Sure, it may have been a pedantic application of the rules but Ramos is kknown to be pedantic.

Everything afterwards was just cringe worthy and if that’s ‘fighting for women’s rights’ she lost all but her fans.
She:

• broke her racquet
• ranted at the umpire abusing his integrity
• played a bit more
• stopped to rant at the umpire
• lost, didn’t give Osaka her due and shouted at the umpire
• immmediately afterwards told the booing crowd that, “We’d get through this together”
• eventually acknowledged her opponent who’d had her winning moment spoiled and who apologised to the crowd for winning

And all because her coach was coaching and she was told that it should stop.

Serena had a massive strop because she was losing. She was arguably worse the time the told a female lomesperson that, “She’d shove this fucking ball down her fucking throat” but couldn’t really claim sexism then, could she?

I think Serena’s outburst was a disgrace. She actually acted as an appalling role model for her daughter. Trying to blame the umpire for being ‘sexist’ is a nonsense. She behaved like a rude, spoilt brat taking a tantrum. I think her arrogance is astounding.

nolongersurprised

You missed, tried to put her opponent off her game by ranting and having a tantrum

Osaka as a Japanese/Haitian woman has been the subject of racism in Japan where she’s been considered a “half-caste”. But of course whatever personal struggles she’s been through and the joy and validation she may have gained from being able to have a proper winning moment are less important than Serena being told off for being coached.

To the Serena apologists, you're basically saying that a black woman has license to behave as badly as she wants and face no consequences. People should be treated equally regardless of race, if Halep or Kerber or any of the other players had carried on the way Serena did they would have faced the same penalties.

nolongersurprised

I think that we should add to that that she has had stolen from her that she defeated her hero on her own merit and not that Serena lost because she was upset.

boney I feel so sorry for Osaka. I heard an interview on the radio where she sounded a bit flat and said that she “still considers it a win” and has “decided to be happy”. When I was watching Djokovic win the men’s final he was able to have the full moment - collapsing immediately on the ground, shaking Del Potro’s hand, a post-match interview that talked about him. Serena spoiled all of that for Osaka.

nolongersurprised

I agree, Its such a shame that she has had this, her first grand slam, spoilt by the actions of her opponent.

When Osaka processes this I doubt Serena will be her hero anymore.

Nolongersurprised Exactly what I thought when I saw the Djokovic win. On another thread, someone said Osaka was on the Ellen show and hadn't seen all the Serena shenanigans as she'd been taught not to get distracted, and thought the audience was booing her when she was about to be presented with the trophy. How goddamn awful for her that she didn't get to feel that joy and elation of a Grand Slam win. Makes me dislike Serena so much that she took that away from her opponent.

Why do people keep posting that video of men losing it... But it makes no mention of the penalties. I watch a bit of tennis and I recognise 2 of the matches for the players being defaulted the match... Not just a point and the game that Serena got penalised, but the whole match. So how does that video prove woman are punished harsher than men?

I'm not saying Serena being black excuses her outburst. I'm saying the discrimination she has had to put up with over her career excuses her outburst. It's a nuanced difference which is significant.

Who else has taken maternity leave as a professional player and returned? I can think of Lindsey Davenport and Kim Clijsters. Both took short leaves because they didn't have complications which is why they were able to keep a high ranking. Could you imagine the uproar if an employee was expected to return to work significantly demoted and earning far less because of this?

The French open banned her outfit that she wears because of the risk of bloodclots. She is drug tested more frequently than other players of her ranking. The remarks about her looking like a man/ape/ugly are horrific comments to hear. She is extremely accomplished as a sports professional, businesswoman and has what looks to be a solid marriage with a man who deeply respects and supports her. She never gets the respect she deserves IMO. The first time she tells a man where to shove it everyone is blaming her. How convenient. What a great way to minimize her.

Want2b. She's not employed on a salary. Just like Murray isn't, he's right down the rankings and earned less because of an injury... Could you imagine the uproar if it was an employee returning to work in this scenario... Or is that different?

On the plus side I'm sure they'll both scrape by on their sponsorship income 😉

There is a difference between an injury from playing tennis and an injury from having a baby.

When comparing pay between male and female tennis players some of the stats don't include sponsorship money, others do. In either case a player being injured from playing tennis is wholly different to what she went through and i think that should be recognized.

Want2b
Tennis is not a normal career, if you have time out for whatever reason your ranking will suffer. Look at the two men's finalists, Del Potro has had several long injury layoffs in his career and Djokovic has just worked his way back from one. It's part of being a tennis player and they're well compensated for it. I don't think it's right to compare it to the average workplace.

I don't believe for a moment that Serena lost it because she's had to put up with racism in her career (not doubting she has, but it's not the driver here). She lost it because she expected to waltz her way to slam no.24 and equal Margaret Court's record. When Osaka outplayed her she had a meltdown.

If it's a normal reaction to unfair treatment then how come Venus never loses it? She's a wonderful role model, always respectful and dignified. Serena is a bully and she's pissed off that the umpire didn't bow down to her.

Why? You compared it to employment. If someone was injured 'on the job' would they not be entitled to the same rights as someone who chose to have a child?